Homo erectus / Javaman

[cosmocreator]

Wouldn't this Homo erectus Javaman, look more realistic with a light Asiatic/Mongoloid complexion?

[Demigorgona]

No, I think australoids look remarkably similar to Homo Erectus.

[morfrain_encilgar]

No, I think australoids look remarkably similar to Homo Erectus.

There is continuity between Australoids in the Sahul and the Solo type, and between the Solo type and early erectus in Java.

But, it is through genetic drift in my opinion, not a main lineage. I think that the Sambungmacan and Solo types are not erectus or modern sapiens.

So then, it is not really sensible, to interpret erectus as belonging to a modern race although local contributions can be traced.

[cosmocreator]

Javaman had an afro.

[Dr. Solar Wolff]

[QUOTE=atlanto-med]There is continuity between Australoids in the Sahul and the Solo type, and between the Solo type and early erectus in Java.

But, it is through genetic drift in my opinion, not a main lineage. I think that the Sambungmacan and Solo types are not erectus or modern sapiens.

What about the Kow Swamp material from Australia? It seems to me this fits right in. Now, an evolutionary-rewrite is the politically correct thing to do, fitting Kow Swamp into a sapiens framework. But this is impossible if you have ever seen a picture of these skulls.

As for pigmentation, forget pigmentation, what about hair? All primates are hairy except for sapiens. If we all came out of Africa, and therefore hairless, then it would be expected that erectus in the Northern Hemisphere as well as Neanderthals were covered with a pelt.

[morfrain_encilgar]

What about the Kow Swamp material from Australia? It seems to me this fits right in. Now, an evolutionary-rewrite is the politically correct thing to do, fitting Kow Swamp into a sapiens framework. But this is impossible if you have ever seen a picture of these skulls.

I think archaic Indnesians contributed locally to the ancestors of Australians but the main contribution to Australians was obviously modern. WL50 does seem to have similarities to Indonesian archaics.

[Dr. Solar Wolff]

The question is were "archaic Indonesians" Homo erectus? If not, why not?

[morfrain_encilgar]

The question is were "archaic Indonesians" Homo erectus? If not, why not?

The archaic Indonesians are the species or subspecies soloensis. Solo shows parietal thickness and other characters that suggest contnuity in Indonesia from Trinil and Sangiran, but is otherwise too modern to be erectus. Just as the main contribution to Australoid moderns in Australia immigrated from outside, so did the main contribution to soloensis. When more fossils are known, perhaps there were several such migrations.