Halstatt Nordics and the Anglo-Saxon Type in England

[Ted]

I'm a little confused. Some physical anthropologists such as Coon don't recognise a distinct "Anglo-Saxon" type; rather, they classify these people (and I am one) simply as Hallstatt Nordics. Are there any real differences, and if so, specifically what are they? I see them both as being tall, fair haired, blue eyed, pale complected Nordics. Perhaps the Anglo-Saxon variety, which many speak of, could be classified as more muscular with a larger boned frame. And perhaps the skin colouring is fairer and less likely to tan in summer than pure Hallstatt Nordics. Is it also true, as some people say, these Nordics have a proclivity to red hair and freckles, unlike other Nordic types? Did I answer my own question here? If there is a distinct category of Nordics called the "Anglo-Saxon" type, where specifically in England is it most concentrated? Most literature I've read on the topic places them in south east England--well that's a pretty big area! Is it more like East Anglia, or the Home Counties, or the Surrey/Kent weald, or the Susex/Hampshire coastal areas? Just curious.

Thanks,

Ted...an Anglo-Saxon

[cosmocreator]

Yes, you've pretty much answered your own question. A-S's are over grown Hallstatts. They are fairer and larger due to mixing with UP's.

[Zimmer Mann]

I believe, because they are a blended type, that there is some variation with some having more U/P and others being nearly pure Hallstatt. A happy medium is usually discussed here being primarily Hallstatt slightly altered by some Brunn/Borreby giving them a more distinct "British look".

[Ted]

Does anyone know exactly where in England this type would make up the largest part of the population? East Anglia? The Home Counties? The South Coast? Kent? The Sussex Downs?

How about a few examples of celebrity Anglo-Saxon phenotypes besides the usual mentions of Princess Dianna, Prince William, or Steve McQueen? By the way I whole-heartily agree awith the first two examples usually given, but Steve McQueen's face and profile are much too angular and rugged to be of the Anglo-Saxon phenotype. He doesn't have the "baby face," soft features, and pale-pink, freclely complexion so often associated with the Anglo-Saxon type. He looks to me to be more of a blond Keltic Nordic. Remember, blondism isn't as rare in Keltic Nordics as some people like to believe, so we shouldn't get stuck on this supposed brown hair requirement.

[She-Wolf]

Are there any brunette Anglo-Saxon types? The nordish website mentions something about it being so but they didn't show any brown haired A-S photo examples (except one, Venessa Redgrave but I don't know her natural colour or if it's dyed hair). There were hardly any male examples either, mostly blonde English women.

[Loki]

Are there any brunette Anglo-Saxon types? The nordish website mentions something about it being so but they didn't show any brown haired A-S photo examples (except one, Venessa Redgrave but I don't know her natural colour or if it's dyed hair). There were hardly any male examples either, mostly blonde English women.

http://www.fikas.no/~sprocket/snpa/rg-anglo.htm

Anglo-Saxon

Etymology:

As suggested by the name, this racial type is associated with the Germanic tribes - the Angles, the Saxons, and the Jutes - renowned for their invasion of the British Isles in the fifth century. Anglo-Saxon has become its standard designation here and elsewhere.

Other names:

- Frisian type
- Old Germanic Reihengräber type

Origin:

Iron Age Hallstatt Nordic altered by mixture with Upper Palaeolithic Brünn elements, yielding a predominantly Nordic intermediate. Additional Borreby and Battle-Axe ("Corded") strains are of some importance.

Description:

This tall, broad-shouldered and characteristically blond type is - morphologically - an overgrown Hallstatt Nordic, with a large head and face, as well as more than average-sized hands and feet. The face is long, and shows a marked skeletal relief, giving it a somewhat rugged and angular impression. The nose is large, very leptorrhine, and usually straight, with a convex minority. The lips are rather thin.

The Anglo-Saxon type is over-all mesocephalic, with a minor tendency towards brachycephaly undoubtedly caused by the Upper Palaeolithic strains. Likewise, the forehead is high and the browridges heavy, and the jaw is prominent. Both Brünn and Borreby features are visible.

The Anglo-Saxon hair color range runs from golden blond to medium brown, with the latter in the majority. There is a minor tendency towards rufosity, but much less so than is the case with the Trønder type, with which the Anglo-Saxon may be compared in many respects. The eyes are pure blue or light-mixed.

[Zimmer Mann]

Steve McQueen is Germanic. He is a blended type with both Nordic and U/P visable.

[Loki]

Are there any brunette Anglo-Saxon types? The nordish website mentions something about it being so but they didn't show any brown haired A-S photo examples (except one, Venessa Redgrave but I don't know her natural colour or if it's dyed hair). There were hardly any male examples either, mostly blonde English women.

Hugh Grant is a good example of a brown-haired Anglo-Saxon type.

[She-Wolf]

Thanks

[Zimmer Mann]

Hugh Grant is a good example of a brown-haired Anglo-Saxon type.

Is this your opinion? I would agree with Nordish.com in that he is a good example of a Keltic type.