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    Post Re: A Higher Intelligence

    Quote Originally Posted by Moody Lawless
    Ludwig Klages put it nicely;

    "MEANING AND PURPOSE. Everything purposeful is meaningless, and everything meaningful is purposeless".
    [Klages, aphorism 71]
    I think this bloke must have been Irish !?

    On narcotics, I was thinking of Aldous Huxley's contention; he said that just as we are finding out that the Universe is infinitely more vast then we ever imagined before, so too is our inner mental universe infinitely more vast. Narcotics can help to EXPLORE those reaches of inner space that are usually closed to us.
    We can make parallels with lack of atmosphere, gravity etc., and throw in Blake's if the doors of perception were cleansed then we would see things as they really are - infinite.

    We NEED not only 'purpose' [see Klages], but also limitation. Without limitation we are like a man floating in outer space without a space-suit.
    This is true about the narcotics experience (especially so of LSD) but just how much of the experience is real and how much is illusion ? I do believe that some substances increase our ability to think more expansively to an extent, just as others decrease our ability to think and focus. But it is hard to tell when under the influence just how much is fact and how much is fantasy....although it all makes sense when your under the influence, does it really make sense in hindsight ?
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    Post Re: A Higher Intelligence

    Quote Originally Posted by stroker
    I think this bloke must have been Irish !?
    This is true about the narcotics experience (especially so of LSD) but just how much of the experience is real and how much is illusion ? I do believe that some substances increase our ability to think more expansively to an extent, just as others decrease our ability to think and focus. But it is hard to tell when under the influence just how much is fact and how much is fantasy....although it all makes sense when your under the influence, does it really make sense in hindsight ?
    I hope the first remark is not meant as a racial slur, stroker!

    Klages' paradoxical statement carries a high degree of truth; it is the activities which lack any clear purpose which are the most meaningful - like art and philosophy.
    Whilst those activities which profess a purpose - like economics and dogmatic religion are ultimately meaningless.

    The paradox is worth thinking about at the start of any activity.

    The question of narcotics is an epistemological one; is a trip any less 'real' than a daydream or a nocturnal fantasy?
    It could be more 'real'.
    And what of the day to day reality - how 'real' is that?
    You may say that the danger of injury or death makes it more real - but then are our bodies the real us?
    Was the 'you' of ten years ago 'real', or was it all a dream?

    To some, the products of the Imagination are the most REAL. In that case, the experiences of heightened consciousness on a trip [or in a meditation] could be seen as the most real.

    Where are most real - in your mind or in your body?
    Why are there beings at all, & why not rather nothing?
    [Leibniz/Heidegger]

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    Post Re: A Higher Intelligence

    Quote Originally Posted by Moody Lawless
    I hope the first remark is not meant as a racial slur, stroker!
    No No it can't be ''racist'' if I'm two parts Irish can it ?
    Now a ''slur'' ?
    Yep definitely a ''slur'' !
    No not really even a slur it's just the sort of paradoxical statement that is commonly attributed to the Irish.

    Klages' paradoxical statement carries a high degree of truth; it is the activities which lack any clear purpose which are the most meaningful - like art and philosophy.
    Whilst those activities which profess a purpose - like economics and dogmatic religion are ultimately meaningless.

    The paradox is worth thinking about at the start of any activity.

    The question of narcotics is an epistemological one; is a trip any less 'real' than a daydream or a nocturnal fantasy?
    It could be more 'real'.
    And what of the day to day reality - how 'real' is that?
    You may say that the danger of injury or death makes it more real - but then are our bodies the real us?
    Was the 'you' of ten years ago 'real', or was it all a dream?

    To some, the products of the Imagination are the most REAL. In that case, the experiences of heightened consciousness on a trip [or in a meditation] could be seen as the most real.

    Where are most real - in your mind or in your body?
    This is well put Moody I like it , but we would be hard pressed to know which it was fantasy or reality. Like, did I just really logon and write this or was it unreal ? You see it, I see it, others see it, we can explain it in a so called scientific manner but is it real we all see David Blain or David Copperfield do things.....are they real? Perhaps, perhaps not.
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    Post Re: A Higher Intelligence

    Everything is real. there is no such thing as unreal. Life is a game, in which we are the inhabitants. An eXperiment. It is very similar to a virtual reality program. It is created by source. As for purpose, yes, everyone has a divine purpose. Not many people you will meet have discovered it.

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    Post AW: A Higher Intelligence

    Very interesting question. The intelligence behind all things was covered in the July issue of the German magazine "P.M.".
    I am way not educated enough to understand or explain what the portrayed experiment was about, but it has to do with quantum physics.

    The article spans several pages and would be hard to translate, that's why I only post this link which was given in the article too!

    http://www.quantumphil.org

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    The introduction of the page linked above is as follows and should make understandable what it's all about!

    Recent experiments have put in evidence that the correlations caused by a two-particles quantum entanglement cannot be described in terms of "before" and "after": The time-notion makes sense only in the domain of the relativistic local phenomena. In the realm of the nonlocal quantum phenomena, things come to pass but the time doesn't seem to pass here. The Center for Quantum Philosophy, based in Zurich and Geneva, aims at wide spreading this discovery, and to stimulate the discussion about its cultural and philosophical implications.

    Risk a look. It is VERY interesting and maybe also a bit disturbing!

    Nichts kann das zerstören, was auf der Wahrheit aufgebaut ist. Wir sind das reine Gold, das im Schmelztiegel getestet werden kann. Der Schmelztiegel möge glühen und prasseln. Nichts kann uns zerstören. Eines Tages werden wir uns erheben und wieder triumphieren. Hofft und wartet!
    (Savitri Devi Mukherji)

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    unfortunately, i dont understand german so i wont be able to read the whole article - shame...never mind. Reading the introduction you translated, this is the merge of science and metaphysics. Slowly but surely, human science will discover what we metaphysicians, alchemists knew centuries ago. It seems in the brief paragrapgh it is dealing with time at the subatomic level - it is saying there is no after or before. We already know that as alchemists - time does not exist, it is merely an illusion - patterns of loops based on sacred geometry. We live in the NOW. There is no before or after if you think of it that way. If only scientists stopped wasting there time trying to discover what they don't believe, that has already been discovered.

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    Hello Nuovo - you can read more articles in English on the page I placed a link to! The paragraph is taken from that website.
    As I said before my knowledge in such things is way too small but from what I can see, the scientists discovered something very important which will affect future theories.

    Nichts kann das zerstören, was auf der Wahrheit aufgebaut ist. Wir sind das reine Gold, das im Schmelztiegel getestet werden kann. Der Schmelztiegel möge glühen und prasseln. Nichts kann uns zerstören. Eines Tages werden wir uns erheben und wieder triumphieren. Hofft und wartet!
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    Post Re: A Higher Intelligence

    Quote Originally Posted by cosmocreator
    Which brings up a good point. Retards can't comprehend that there are people with 140+ IQs. But imagine that there is an intelligence behind the universe, that makes the most intelligent human look like a supreme retard. Humans think highly of themselves. Too highly I think. I think they should be more humble in that respect.

    I think there is a higher intelligence behind the universe because without it, there would be no purpose to anything. No direction. Nothing. But there is a direction. Everything has a purpose, even if we don't understand it at this point in time.
    Hi,

    actually this is the FIRST iteration of the reasoning.

    You reiterate the same reasoning until infinity. BTW mathematically/logically speaking, there is even a hierarchy among infinities (cardinality).

    The reasoning will led you to conclude that GOD (the real ONE) is not a stupid hypothesis, whatever the aspect it shows. I am not speaking of the retards of religion.


    There are many things we will never be aware of because of our finiteness.

    Let's think with a higher level of abstraction and openess.

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