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    Tories discover immigration again

    Cameron: 'UK needs immigration cut'

    Political Correspondent DTelegraph
    30/10/2007

    Immigration is too high and must be reduced, David Cameron is to announce.

    The speech effectively ends David Cameron's near silence on the issue.......................


    In his first major speech on the issue, the Tory leader will challenge Gordon Brown to a "grown-up" debate.

    Effectively tackling Mr Brown on his slogan "British jobs for British workers", he will suggest that, if more British citizens work instead of claiming benefits, there will be fewer vacancies to attract immigrants.

    The population is projected to pass 70 million in the next 25 years. Mr Cameron will tie immigration to social policy, ranking it alongside family break-down as a key driver of rising British households. This in turn has pushed up house prices.

    "We must recognise that in an advanced, open economy there will be high levels of emigration and immigration," he will say.

    "But what matters is the net figure, which I believe is currently too high. So we need policy to reduce the level of net immigration."

    The speech effectively ends Mr Cameron's near silence on the issue since becoming leader in 2005. Aides say this was a vital part of shedding the Tory brand's negative image among centrist voters.

    But now, with Tory poll ratings consistently around the crucial 40 per cent mark, party insiders insist Mr Cameron take on Labour on issues such as immigration and tax.

    Mr Cameron will say Mr Brown's failed social policies have fuelled immigration. "He assumes we can't do much about family failure, we can't get significant numbers of people off benefits and into work and we use immigration to deal with our capacity shortages. But I don't think it's sustainable."

    Instead he will explain the three "vital components" that will inform his approach. "First, a sober and forensic understanding of the facts: the scale and nature of this challenge. Second, action to ensure our population grows at a sustainable rate. Third, action to prepare properly for that sustainable level of growth."


    Mr Cameron will find support from the all-party Local Government Association . This week it publishes a study detailing the burden that immigration has placed on local authorities.

    In some areas immigrants make up one in eight of the workforce. But government funds have not kept pace.

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    Good of the Tories to catch up with the rest of the country who know only too well just how much things are out of control in the UK and especially in England !


    There is a dire need for policy action on this question - enough people feel that the nation is being utterly swamped.

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    ""Robust Policing and sound borders needed

    .David Davis, Shadow home secretary
    .DTelegraph 01/11/2007



    The Government's security strategy lies in tatters. The House of Lords has ruled that Labour's control order regime for terrorist suspects conflicts with its Human Rights Act. Draconian rhetoric often masks ineffective shortcuts and rarely improves national security.

    Control orders have proved just such a case. The Conservatives will work with the Government to help get them out of this mess.

    But, Labour must put aside headline-grabbing gestures and work patiently to put together concrete, practical measures that will strengthen our security.

    The Lords ruled that the Government could not impose control orders involving 18- hour curfews, confinement to a particular address and the vetting of all visitors, without either putting the individuals through a criminal trial or making the case for opting-out of the Human Rights Act (as that legislation permits).They also ruled that the procedure for making control orders was unfair because key evidence was withheld from the accused.

    This mess has been on the cards for years - we warned the Government in 2005, when they rushed the legislation through, that it was a 'recipe for legal challenges'.

    What can be done to salvage this wreck? There is a challenge in situations where individuals behave in a suspicious way but there is not enough evidence to charge them with a criminal offence.

    Control orders may have a limited role here but are a poor substitute for sound surveillance and robust law enforcement, both neglected under Labour.

    We are told that thousands of terror suspects are under surveillance. But only 14 people are subject to control orders, so let's not kid ourselves about their value as a security measure.

    As so often under this Government, the real failure is to follow through. Seven of those on control orders have escaped.

    So what is the answer? First, put control orders into perspective. Their role is very limited. Second, the Conservatives will work with the Government to revise the regime, so it can better withstand legal challenge. The Government needs to assess whether the security threat justifies exercising an opt-out from its Human Rights Act and work constructively with opposition parties to find practical solutions to the current problems.

    Finally, the Government must learn the lessons. When it comes to security, there are no shortcuts. Control orders are a repressive measure with limited impact. ID cards are an expensive white elephant that some IT experts say risk making us less safe. And extending pre-charge detention is a draconian proposal that security experts warn will cut off intelligence from local communities and drive disaffected young Muslims into the arms of extremists.

    A Conservative Government would focus on three things. First, sound intelligence and a border police force to prevent attacks. Second, robust law enforcement. We would also lift the ban on using intercept evidence in court. Third, we would strengthen our resilience to attack, including vital infrastructure protection.

    The lesson from the control orders shambles is that liberty and security are not alternatives. We should not and will not defend our freedoms by sacrificing them.

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    It is sometimes said that the Tories are hopeless but that is too much of a simplification! There are countless numbers of good conservative people in England and beyond who would willingly support the right measures being taken in support of their country. The issue of a much revamped and strengthened Border Police has been raised before - not least on Skadi! What State worth its name refuses to protect its borders from the influx of drugs, criminals and alien killers? It is a function of State that cannot today be taken lightly. Any Party raising the question seriously deserves to be heard.... coupled with the provision of an upgraded system of Intelligence gathering and the proper enforcement of arrest and deportation.

    Don't say it can't be done -- because in the past it has been!!

    Where there's a Will, there's a Way.

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    OK, "must be reduced". So that's arguing the difference between 500,000 or 300,000 a year. Or similar.

    Well at least it's on the news agenda.

    Ironically, the current immigration flows could be making Britain more white than it was before but still it's a negative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneEnglishNorman View Post
    OK, "must be reduced". So that's arguing the difference between 500,000 or 300,000 a year. Or similar.

    Well at least it's on the news agenda.

    Ironically, the current immigration flows could be making Britain more white than it was before - but still it's a negative.

    Well I do share your scepticism that a mere reduction of the overall numbers of incomers will not do a great deal to rectify the immigration problem now already in England; it has such deep roots that , without near revolutionary developments ( in Britain ??!) , it is difficult to see "the damage" being reversed at all.

    But the second point is interesting in other respects. If the government opt to switch away from further massive Afro-Asian excesses towards Polish and other 'acceptable' European immigrants in their place, then indeed, at least it is a move away from the invasion of colour! Many people do much prefer it that way round - even if the greater damage has already been done in the wider context. We will therefore see progressively the hand of the new Europe strengthened in Britain......

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