View Poll Results: My position on animal rights is as follows:

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    I think it's important to establish that humans (or anything for that matter) do not have lordship over nature. We have a role to play in nature, just as all living organisms do. I believe the consumption of meat is perfectly healthy and natural but we should not abuse our part in nature and it's cycle.

    Eating meat is as natural to humans as the wolf that eats the sheep.

    I do not think we are equal to animals, just as I don't think humans are equal to humans.

    Apologies if this is a bit all over the place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blood Axis View Post
    Ehrrr. Please define the cognitive level of a 4-year old human. Hell, why not define that of a 40-year old human?! Is there a standard one?
    The smartest animals I've experienced thusfar seem to be somewhere around the level of young human children (up to 3 or 4 years old). They can show compassion, they can try to trick you, they show love and appreciation, they can be playful, they can understand simple commands, they have basic problem-solving skills, etc.

    That's what I was (implicitly) referring to...

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    All animals should have rights, that's why PETA(People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) exists. On the other hand I own a parrot and keep him in a cage. Perhaps he should be set free, but at the same time I know if he is set free he will die because I'm the one that feeds him.

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    That doesn't really prove that they have rights; besides, PETA is hardly nature's paragon. It's often dubbed People for the Evil Treatment of Animals.

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    One could also say that because Human Rights organizations exist or some philosopher says so that doesn't mean we actually have rights either.

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    One could say so, but why ought one take them seriously? The philosopher can dismiss this view as nonsense and non-responsive to the arguments he/she puts forth (and properly so.) Even this view must be philosophically justified, or else it is mere waffle (Hobbes actually took this route, but with the intention of giving an account of how morals might arise.) I've not heard of a convincing deontological account for animal rights, and utilitarian accounts fare little better - descent into moral nihilism/subjectivism only worsens things, as then no moral constraints exist in how one may treat animals; hardly what the animal rights advocate would want.

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    FYI, Driftwood, PETA is against keeping pets of any kind.

    I don't believe animals should have more rights than humans.

    Sadly, this is the case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freydis View Post
    I don't believe animals should have more rights than humans.

    Sadly, this is the case.
    How do you figure that? What exactly do animals have a right to that humans don't? I can list plenty of made up "rights" that humans seem to have that animals don't, ranging anywhere from the "right to free speech" from the "right to abortion".

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    i don't believe in animal rights....but i would never senslessly hurt an animal...i think it's ridiculous to talk about animal rights when we eat them every day (or at least those of us who want a balanced diet without soy do). how can we simultaniously take away their lives and talk about them having rights? :

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    Quote Originally Posted by a.squiggles View Post
    i don't believe in animal rights....but i would never senslessly hurt an animal...i think it's ridiculous to talk about animal rights when we eat them every day (or at least those of us who want a balanced diet without soy do). how can we simultaniously take away their lives and talk about them having rights? :
    I actually enjoy the thought that the animal I am eating, whether beef or lamb has had been put out of its misery, because farms are crowded and the animals needlessly suffer.

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