Homosexuality

[Huzar]

I definitely wouldn't believe ancient egyptians to have been black.

They were probably closer to today's mediterranean pop than to today's egyptians.

And this was also a time where the Greek looked "Scandinavian"

On your first statement, i agree completely. On the second statement, i'm not sure ; Probably, ancient greeks were different from today, but like a "scandinavian" is tto much i think.

[Sigurd]

On your first statement, i agree completely. On the second statement, i'm not sure ; Probably, ancient greeks were different from today, but like a "scandinavian" is tto much i think.

Alright, I agree that that was over-exaggerated. They were still Greek, but a great deal would pass as at least Nordoid nowadays. If you look towards Greece today, you still see some that have blonde hair, and a nordic skull.

[herr georg]

Those 'homosexual' men who married wives and had children couldn't possibly have done that if it was natural for them to be gay. That is just what is being drummed into theirs and our heads these days: that homosexuals cannot help being totally, exclusivley homosexual. One thing is, if those homosexual men had wives and children how did wek now they were gay in the first place? Probably because they were discovered to secretly have some fetish for other men, but at the same time, they had married and had sex with women. That pretty much proves that homosexuality is just some abnormality/fetish/paraphilia of some kind. Certain pressures make other wise blatantly heterosexual men do homosexual things, like in jail. Men by nature are sexually inclined to the opposite sex and vise versa, isn't it biologically impossible for it to be any other way? However, as I say, certain pressures cause this unnatural fetish, whether that be men confined in a jail, or in the developmental process.

[Jack]

Those 'homosexual' men who married wives and had children couldn't possibly have done that if it was natural for them to be gay.

Not true. A biologically based inclination can be conditioned by environmental factors. For example, growing up in a vehemently anti-homosexual culture.

That is just what is being drummed into theirs and our heads these days: that homosexuals cannot help being totally, exclusivley homosexual. One thing is, if those homosexual men had wives and children how did we know they were gay in the first place? Probably because they were discovered to secretly have some fetish for other men, but at the same time, they had married and had sex with women. That pretty much proves that homosexuality is just some abnormality/fetish/paraphilia of some kind.

No, it doesn't. Bisexuality was widely practiced in ancient Greece. It was viewed as a disgusting practice both by Germanic barbarians and in the Jewish culture which later was partly responsibile for the birth of Christianity, which later became dominant in the European world. Homosexuality may very well have been suppressed although genes inclining one to homosexuality may pass through populations recessively, and where they do rise, this behaviour may be suppressed due to undesirable repercussions of 'pursuing one's perculiar variety of joy'.

Certain pressures make other wise blatantly heterosexual men do homosexual things, like in jail.

Intra-sexual prison rape is generally not the same thing as homosexuality. It's violence as domination, a means of enforcing the prisoner hierarchy. No one wants to be raped in the arse in prison. To do so is both an act of being subordinated, and humiliated, at the same time.

Men by nature are sexually inclined to the opposite sex and vise versa, isn't it biologically impossible for it to be any other way?

No, it isn't. Recessive genes and the affects of culture/environmental influences can suppress the expression of these genes in terms of their expression (or 'behavioural phenotype').

However, as I say, certain pressures cause this unnatural fetish, whether that be men confined in a jail, or in the developmental process.

No. You can't get a ball to roll uphill without employing the same laws of physics that 'naturally' incline it to roll down hill. Pressures or lack thereof can 'allow' homosexuality to be expressed, but pressures do not 'create' this inclination.

[herr georg]

Well if you say so, but just because alot of ancient greeks were bisexual doesn't mean anything. Pedophilia was also common in these orgies in graeco-roman societies.

[Oskorei]

Homosexuality is so widespread a practice that it cannot be overlooked in a doctrine of sex. Goethe wrote that "it is as old as mankind and therefore can be said to be a part of nature although it is contrary to nature".
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To find an explanation it is necessary to descend to a lower level and examine various empirical possibilities. Normally two forms of homosexuality are distinguished in sexology: One has an inborn, natural character, whereas the other has an acquired character and is conditioned by psychological and sociological factors influenced by a person's environment. But in the second of these forms it is necessary to give a proper value to the distinction between forms having a vicious nature and forms that presuppose a latent predisposition which is aroused under given circumstances. It is necessary to set forth this condition because, given the same situation, different types behave in different ways and may not become homosexual. It is important, however, not to consider the inborn form of homosexuality in a rigid way but to allow a certain possibility of variation.

In natural homosexuality or in the predisposition to it, the most straightforward explanation is provided by what we said earlier about the differing levels of sexual development and about the fact that the process of sexual development in its physichal and, even more so, in its psychic aspects can be incomplete. In that way, the original bisexual nature is surpassed to a lesser extent than in a "normal" human being, the characteristics of one sex not being predominant over those of the other sex to the same extent. Next we must deal with what M. Hirschfeld called the "intermediate sexual forms". In cases of this kind (for instance, when a person who is nominally a man is only 60 percent male).it is impossible that the erotic attraction based on the polarity of the sexes in heterosexuality - which is much stronger the more the man is male and the woman is female - can also be born between individuals who, according to the birth registry and as regards only the so-called primary sexual characteristics, belong to the same sex, because in actual fact they are "intermediate forms". In the case of pederasts, Ulrich said rightly that it is possible to find "the soul of a woman born in the body of a man".

But it is necessary to take into account the possibility of constitutional mutations, a possibility that has been given little consideration by sexologists; that is, we must also bear in mind cases of regression. It may be that the governing power on which the sexual nature of a given individual depends (a nature that is truly male or truly female) may grow weak through neutralization, atrophy, or reduction of the latent state of the characteristics of the other sex, and this may lead to the activation and emergence of these recessive characteristics. And here the surroundings and the general athmosphere of society can play a not unimportant part. In a civilization where equality is the standard, where differences are not linked, where promiscuity is a favor, where the ancient idea of "being true to oneself" means nothing anymore - in such a splintered and materialistic society, it is clear that this phenomenon of regression and homosexuality should be particularly welcome, and therefore it is in no way a surprise to see the alarming increade in homosexuality and the "third sex" in the latest "democratic" period, or an increase in sex changes to an extent unparallelled in other eras.

Metaphysics of Sex, pages 62-64.

[Banehogg]

Homosexuality is totally unacceptable, and should be under pain of death

[Gagnraad]

Hahaha, I have read in a christian site:
It's ok to be homosexual, but if you are homosexual to someone, that's an sin against Jesus Christ and everything christianity stands for!

Hahahaha! It's roughly translated, but that was the nearest I come

[skyyyybluuuu]

Hahaha, I have read in a christian site:
It's ok to be homosexual, but if you are homosexual to someone, that's an sin against Jesus Christ and everything christianity stands for!

Hahahaha! It's roughly translated, but that was the nearest I come

Thou doth protest too much! It's rather interesting that Christians are so fervently against homosexuality. After all, many of the most popular Christian leaders, with their beatific smiles and passive demure posturing, are emmulating mannerisms typically associated with effeminate gay men. For example, TV evangelist Pat Robertson always looks like he's squirming in his chair with something stuck up his ass. What's with that?

[anaktas]

I always said that homosexuality is Mother Nature's way to erase the weak genes.

I am an upholder of Nature. Homosexuality is unnatural.
Therefore: I am strongly against homosexuality.