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    Putin Accuses Europe of Ignoring Nazism

    In a speech to the European Jewish Congress on Wednesday, Oct. 10, Russian President Vladimir Putin said he is dismayed by Estonia and Latvia's glorification of Nazism. Europe needs to take notice, Putin said.

    Putin, speaking in Moscow to the European Jewish Congress, said he was shocked when an annual Waffen SS parade took place in Latvia in March. He added that it was disturbing that the European Union has largely ignored the problems of pro-Nazi groups in these countries.

    "Some facts which we come up against in several countries of eastern Europe have provoked open astonishment and incomprehension," Putin said. "The activities of the Latvian and Estonian authorities openly connive at the glorification of Nazis and their accomplices. But these facts remain unnoticed by the European Union."

    http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,...817872,00.html

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    Honestly, Putin has nothing better to do or say? So hes WORRIED about a couple of countries that are honouring thier WW2 vets which fought for thier freedom like any other country.
    Latvian Legion day is march 16 in Latvia; due to pressure from the Russian government in 2000, Latvia agreed not to recognize it as an official holiday, however the country still recognizes it and celebrates it unofficially each year. I'm proud that these two countries are brave enough to honor their soldiers.

    A lot of this probably has to due with small Russian minority's living in (def.)Estonia and probably Latvia as well. From what I hear these people are for the most part violent Neo-Stalinist groups always kicking up a fuss to get Estonia/Latvia to remove monuments and anything honoring the dedication of those who fought for independence from Soviet Russia in the second World War.

    My only hope is that these two brave European countries don't bend due to some ridiculous sanctions or pressure from the so called World Jewish congress or Russian government.

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    I often hear about this sort of thing going on in Latvia and Estonia, and find it quite understandable, but does anyone here know why it doesn't seem to be the case in Lithuania? What's the difference there? Were less Russians left behind?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oswiu View Post
    What's the difference there? Were less Russians left behind?
    Exactly that is the reason.There are even more Poles than Russians there.
    Ceterum censeo Iudaeam esse delendam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oswiu View Post
    I often hear about this sort of thing going on in Latvia and Estonia, and find it quite understandable, but does anyone here know why it doesn't seem to be the case in Lithuania? What's the difference there? Were less Russians left behind?

    Lithuania didn't field any Waffen-SS units. There were some small numbers of individuals who served in the German army but as far as i know they staged their own mini uprising just before the Germans entered the capital/major cities in the hope that they would be free to govern on their own without Soviet or German influence. Of course this didn't happen and the majority of the country's population was never really pro German, but they were never pro soviet either. After the reoccupation by the USSR, small groups of partisans carried out a guerrilla war against the Soviet occupants for many years after the war had ended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janus View Post
    Exactly that is the reason.There are even more Poles than Russians there.
    ESTONIA:
    68.6% Estonians
    25.6% Russians
    2.1% Ukrainians
    1.2% Belarussians
    0.8% Finns

    LATVIA:
    59.0% Latvians
    28.3% Russians
    3.7% Belarusians
    2.4% Poles
    6.3% others

    LITHUANIA:
    83.6% Lithuanians
    6.3% Poles
    5.1% Russians
    1.1% Belarusians

    Interesting. Poles obviously have less of an attachment for the War, and don't serve as continuing reminders of Soviet occupation seen in every fourth person you meet.

    Mind you, there might be a little more to it too. I asked the same of a Russian friend, and she shrugged and said "They're just more normal in Lithuania." Lithuania has historically been more part of the Slavonic fold than the two northern Baltic states, who have been long in the Germanic orbit. Lithuania's Catholicism can be contrasted with Protestantism in Latvia and Estonia. Lithuanian Grand Dukes played a great part in Russian history, even becoming somewhat Russified in many ways, something recognised on the "Millenium of Russia" monument in Novgorod, which includes several of these rulers...

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    Isn't Russia currently the country with the greatest support for national-socialist, national-bolshevist and "neo-nazi" type ideologies? I don't think Putin is the right person to complain

    Ever heard of these guys?




    RNE - Russian National Unity

    RNE and Slavanskij Sojuz

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    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    Ever heard of these guys?
    Sure, the last time I heard of them, they were marching together with a future Jewish presidential candidate, protesting againts the new regime. The National Bolshevik party has been officially banned for over a year now.

    http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article2079352.ece

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vingolf View Post
    Sure, the last time I heard of them, they were marching together with a future Jewish presidential candidate, protesting againts the new regime.
    Of course, "together" with does not imply in "support of".

    Would you say that organisations like the RNE are genuine oposition or fake controlled oposition, like I've heard some people oust. If they're genuine, do you know why exactly they're so strongly against Putin?

    Putin may not be the best men Russia can possibly have as a leader, but IMO he's still better than anyone of the zionist oposition or any of his EU colleagues. Therefore I have some problems understanding why the RNE is so strongly against Putin.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vingolf View Post
    The National Bolshevik party has been officially banned for over a year now.
    I guess they still have their supporters, though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    Of course, "together" with does not imply in "support of".
    Would you participate in a demonstration if you disagreed with its slogans, or if you had a loathing for its organizers?

    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    If they're genuine, do you know why exactly they're so strongly against Putin?
    These organizations are passé, they belong to the political freedom of the 1990s. Nationalism is now being state controlled, centralized. Official Russian nationalism cannot be, and has never been, ethnic or racial, but political and imperialistic. Back to the USSR, I guess.

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