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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorburn
    The modern Jews have (both ancestry-wise and theologically) very little to do with Jacob and his descendants (the "Israel" of the Old Testament), though. The New Testament even calls them the "synagogue of Satan" (Rev 2:9), "of the devil" (John 8:44) and "the antichrist" (1 John 2:22).
    The true/false Jew dichotomy as well as Khazars theory are redundant. What matters is that whether one is a Jew or a Christian, he has a share in the same mentality, character, and conduct. Anyone who follows the Bible to the letter ends up behaving like a Jew. That right there demonstrates that even if modern Jews weren't really Jewish, they are still deserving of being called Jews.

    John 8:44 means the Jews are governed by instinct and that lying and murder correspond to their nature.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorburn
    Basically, the choice comes down to this: Either Jesus was the son of God, as he claimed (John 8:58, John 10:30, Matt 16:15, etc.), or he was a madman like ... David Koresh. Then the Jews had it right all along and would have been justified in having him executed for blasphemy.
    Nope, there's a third option: Jesus was an extraordinarily reformer, fighter, and emancipator, whose message of love was bastardized by Jews, whose struggle against materialism was transformed into pacifism and the agony of crucifixion, whose mission of freeing proselytes and negating Judaism was distorted into Jewish emancipation, and whose death rather than life example became the starting point of Christianity.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorburn
    What would it say about Europeans that they all submitted to a madman for the longer period of 1,000+ years of their history? All the millions of people who had spiritual encounters with Jesus, down through the ages, were they all insane or deceived? Did they all talk to a madman, were saved by an illusion, were healed by the placebo effect?

    That would be kind of sad, to be honest.
    It wouldn't say much, since democracy has been the principle engine behind the decline of many civilizations. It was a democratic Greece that paved the way for Christianity and the Roman empire's subversion. Some people long to return to ancient Greece or Rome, but they would find that things weren't that much different where politics was concerned. Here, whole history of mankind is a death spiral of ants, who go from one system to another in an unceasing cycle.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorburn
    What about things like the Shroud of Turin? All sophisticated forgeries?
    Coincidence. If Jesus was a Jew, then he would have been stoned to death.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorburn
    And yet, for some reason, the Jews hate Jesus Christ with such a passion that it is unreal. Isn't that far too much hatred for just another imposter? It's almost as if they could feel or even would know the truth.
    They hate him because he saw through them quite clearly. Some of his "woes of the Pharisees" still apply today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorburn
    Yes, true in the sense that Jacob (Israel) and his ancestors (from Adam over Noah to Abraham) had a real contact to God.

    The modern Jews have (both ancestry-wise and theologically) very little to do with Jacob and his descendants (the "Israel" of the Old Testament), though. The New Testament even calls them the "synagogue of Satan" (Rev 2:9), "of the devil" (John 8:44) and "the antichrist" (1 John 2:22).

    The seed of Abraham are now the Christians (Matt 3:9, Gal 3:29).
    This is a "christian identity" position, and it's still nonsense.
    All (ALL !!!) early christians were Jews, the early popes were Jews, the entire "historicy" of "Jesus" is jewish through and through and has nothing whatsoever to do with Europe or European peoples.


    So ... assuming it were true, wouldn't that change everything?

    Basically, the choice comes down to this: Either Jesus was the son of God, as he claimed (John 8:58, John 10:30, Matt 16:15, etc.), or he was a madman like ... David Koresh. Then the Jews had it right all along and would have been justified in having him executed for blasphemy.
    There was no one - ever - called "Jesus" (or Yoshua) or whatever. It's an invention. Nothing of the bullsh!t written in the bible ever happened to a "man", son of god or not.

    There is not a single record, by any of the like 13-15 Roman historians around at the time, of anything even closely similar to what the bible claims.

    Dont you think events like the slaughter of infants by Herodod would be wildly and extensively written about?

    What would it say about Europeans that they all submitted to a madman for the longer period of 1,000+ years of their history? All the millions of people who had spiritual encounters with Jesus, down through the ages, were they all insane or deceived? Did they all talk to a madman, were saved by an illusion, were healed by the placebo effect?

    That would be kind of sad, to be honest.
    Christianity was mainly spread with the sword, and later, after they imposed themselves at the top of society, through leaving no other choice. Your marriage wasnt recorded (and thus unlawful) if you werent christian, your births werent recorded, and thus you werent part of the population/citizens etc.

    As to "encounters". People open to spirituality will have to interprete their encounters in the form what they've been teached. If their teaching was christian, they'll interprete it as christian in nature. An Indian Brahman will call a similar spiritual experience Khrishna, the Chinese and Japanese the impersonal Sky God (they overcame the "god" notion about 3000 years ago), the Buddhists call it Buddha, and a European Heathen would have called it Odin (although, a Heathen experience is much more differenciated, it can also be Thor, Tyr, Freyr etc).

    Those who boasted about "personal contacts" (like Thomas of Aquin or so), well, guess it's down to some narcissist disorder, to be quite honest. Or people sent by the church to spread an agenda.

    Yes, it's sad that so many people, not only Europeans (the majority of christians is non-European and always was), fell to this lie, but as said, it wasnt all voluntary and specially Europeans (Germanics) revolted against ever since it established itself as the dominant religion. While the reformation failed to accomplish to overcome christianity, the Enlightenment, the Renaissance and all the following or inbetween mini-reformations and re-orientations sought to overcome the limitations.

    There never was something like a "religion", it was invented along with christianity/monotheism. Religion comes from Latin religare -> "to hold back".

    It's a kult that impoverishes spirituality. Intentionally.


    What about things like the Shroud of Turin? All sophisticated forgeries?
    Yes. Like all other "reliquies". They all stem from the 12th century onwards.

    And yet, for some reason, the Jews hate Jesus Christ with such a passion that it is unreal. Isn't that far too much hatred for just another imposter? It's almost as if they could feel or even would know the truth.
    As said above, there was no "Jesus".

    Christianity is a tool, and it was invented and designed as such. To pacify the masses, to control, to maintain slavery and social hierarchy in the multiethnic Roman empire.

    Jews hate the idea of "Jesus the Messiah" because christians (meanwhile heavily unrooted from even the original "christianity") try to impose Jesus as the Jewish messiah, for which the Jews still wait.

    The more sinister variant of the invention of christianity is that "smart" Jews invented christianity to destroy the Roman empire. Seeing that the basics of christianity were invented in the late 2d, early 3d century CE, consolidated in 325CE, made state religion (destroying all other kults in the pagan Roman empire) in 380CE and the (west) Roman empire ceasing to exist in 476CE, I'd think they accomplished that plan. Quite quickly even.

    The Roman empire was split apart in the 5th century, the east Roman empire was entirely semitic, the Byzantine empire was semitic (peoples), there was no west Roman empire from 476 until its re-invention through the deal between the pope and Charlemagne in ~800CE. After that we see some ~300 years of "crucades" against Europe, killing hundreds of thousands, first the Saxons, then the Baltic regions, Scandinavia etc, to impose this kult.

    It's not that our people fell on their knees in rows and take on this religion voluntary, quite the opposite. During the 12th century CE much of the "history" of the recently invented "Holy Roman Empire" was forged, and it's also the time when many of reliquies suddenly appear on the scene.

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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet
    This is a "christian identity" position, and it's still nonsense.
    All (ALL !!!) early christians were Jews, the early popes were Jews, the entire "historicy" of "Jesus" is jewish through and through and has nothing whatsoever to do with Europe or European peoples.

    ...
    Jews, as we use the term, is something that had it's ethnogenesis long after Christianity started.

    As far as the early popes are concerned, I do not follow the Catholic Consensus opinion on this. The papal institution emerged with the fall of the Roman empire. So the first popes were mostly Romans, but no Jews.
    Jesus called the Judeans of his times "children of the devil", btw.


    Christianity also takes a distinction between the fleshly (Adam, from which the Israelites and all other nations emerged) and the spiritual (which emerged from Christ).
    What that means is that the one is mortal and of temporal value, while the other is immortal and of eternal value. I think the letter to the Romans took this on quite strikingly.

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    Oh +Suomut+, +Suomut+! Wherefore art thou +Suomut+?


    If Jesus was not born to God of a mortal woman, then neither was Thor born to Odin of Jord.

    Maintain consistency of logic...

    If there is no Trinity, tell this to the Hindus and Wiccans.

    The two main elements of Christianity: theology and demography, are of Aryan origin.

    Are Christians Semites? Do Christians believe in a Semitic theology?

    That's two strikes against the Abrahamic theory rooted in Marxist nihilism. Funny how Marxist dialectical tirades are being thrown at Christianity by those duped by the Jews to fight their battles for them. It makes it that much easier for Kikes to deconstruct our society, when our own commit cultural suicide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baorn
    The two main elements of Christianity: theology and demography, are of Aryan origin.

    Are Christians Semites? Do Christians believe in a Semitic theology?

    That's two strikes against the Abrahamic theory rooted in Marxist nihilism. Funny how Marxist dialectical tirades are being thrown at Christianity by those duped by the Jews to fight their battles for them. It makes it that much easier for Kikes to deconstruct our society, when our own commit cultural suicide.
    Aryan origin? Give me a f**n break!
    Did you ever read your stupid bible, actually? It's Jew everywhere, from Abraham and Moses through Yoshua the invented Rabbi and everything around and inbetween. As for consistency, yes, read your bible for consistency, not even the only 4 gospels tell the same story, even though 2 are merely corrupted copies of the other two, LOL. The bible is one huge chaos which lacks any consistency.

    Yes, the christian "theology" (or rather, the systematic crippling of spiritualism) is through and through Semitic, in nature, in origin and vision.
    Communism and the culturalmarxist notion is derived from christianity (universalism, anti-folk-ism, tolerance->turntheothercheek, equality, humanitarianism, charity etc). Of course communism seeks to do away with christianity, like christianity did with all the cultures and cults it derived its "man-related" (ie->Jesus aka Krishna the savior) mythology from (the rest is corrupted Mithraism). Doesnt change anything on that both, christianity and communism, are the same thing, ie semitic mental poison, in nature.

    See, we (as peoples) face an existencial threat, and as long as we dont overcome christianity, we will not be able to defend ourselves against this onslaught. Christianity is the reason why we are in this predicament in the first place.

    If you rather fight for your semitic religion, you're part of the problem. As long as you accept their "theology" and "values" and "universalisms", you will always act so that it works in their favour, whether you want it or not and even if you think you work against (((them))), because you're trapped in their mental spiderweb.

    Btw, our culture, luckily, is still heathen in nature, it only got an ugly christian patina. Christianity, as communism, doesnt have much use for culture, but fortunately, christianity has been too weak to wipe our culture out. Communism is more powerful in that it seems, and Islam (which is just another semitic/Abrahamic religion) will do the rest. Unless we free ourselves from that poisonous kult and become ourselves again.

    Folk - Family - Nation - Race. Either fight for that or dont stand in the way of those who will fight for what is real and important.

    I fear, however, that too many christians rather fight against all those evil "racists" and "nationalists" and will happily organise new crusades against fellow Europeans than fighting for Europe and their people...
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    Christianity is the opposition par excellence, to all you supposedly have a problem with, even as you use the enemy's own arguments to make yourself hopelessly depressed

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    Christianity leads to nihilism.

    Quote Originally Posted by Julian
    If there is anyone who does not discern a reason for these differences among the nations, but rather declaims that all this so befell spontaneously, how, I ask, can he still believe that the universe is administered by a providence?

    If these differences that are greater and more important came about without the aid of a greater and more divine providence, why do we vainly trouble ourselves about and worship one who takes no thought for us?

    He even looked on for myriads, or if you prefer, for thousands of years, while men in extreme ignorance served idols, as you call them, from where the sun rises to where he sets, yes and from North to South, save only that little tribe which less than two thousand years before had settled in one part of Palestine. If he is the God of all of us alike, and the creator of all, why did he neglect us?
    One only needs to consider the wise reflections of Martin Luther in his old age (far from the ramblings of someone who's gone senile):

    For one dare not regard God as so cruel that he would punish his own people so long, so terribly, so unmercifully, and in addition keep silent, comforting them neither with words nor with deeds, and fixing no time limit and no end to it. Who would have faith, hope, or love toward such a God?
    Christianity does not differ so much from Marxism. They are both grounded in the basest materialism, sharing in the belief that death is the end of everything. That is where their consistently hostile attitude towards abortion, their support for illegitimate births, their indifference towards overpopulation, and their horror of eugenics derive from. They are one lifers. Take away heaven and hell (which is obviously stolen from the Greeks, the Jews could only conceive of "Abraham's bosom" and a vague subterranean place) and resurrection (the Jews never conceived of a resurrection beyond the material existence) and it becomes evident (Hebrews 9:28). Both Christianity and Marxism deny the role of hereditary and superphysical causes in the development of genius. The one says "god" or supernatural and the other says "environment", these are both arbitrary and superficial explanations. There is a complete lack of understanding of cause and effect.

    Observe how Hadrian (in the Augustan History allegedly debunked by a Jew) and Julian (in a letter to the high priest Theodorus) implicate the Christians as worshipers of money.

    Observe how at least 20 prominent Christian democrats have contributed to the Pan-European development during and immediately after WW2. Freemasons, Communists, and Jews have nothing on that number. It's quite clear that the churches have betrayed Jesus.

    Christians are mistaken if they think their enemy is atheism. Christianity provides the condition for atheism in the first place. The former adherents have thrown out Jesus and the Bible, but they've retained the Jewish ethics and morality, and maintain it to a higher degree. If Christians really wish to follow Jesus' example, then they should be fighting against materialism and the ones behind it: the Jews. Know your real enemy.

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    Pan-Europeanism is what Stormfront believes in. Are they for a Jewish or a racial agenda? You make no sense.

    Christianity has as many mythologies as paganism and the only difference is He's not just another Son of God vs all other demigod examples. Not much difference between Him and Hercules and Thor, theologically speaking, except He is both His Father and Son. This kind of logic has zero Semitic background and comes from the Greeks. The idea that God is eternally reincarnated is something superior that the ancient philosophers understood. Say that Zeus impregnated a mere woman, but He himself was born again in human form; that trumps merely being half god, being full God and rising above the flesh both in life and death. Tell us where the Kikes and Towel-heads believe in the Trinity and Reincarnation.

    Now, again, Christendom hardly consists of provincial Semites, for Aramaic, Coptic and Ethiopian worshipers are a minority of Orthodox Christians, who were converted by the Greeks, who had already incorporated Adonis into the Pantheon. Universalism is actually an Indo-European trait espoused by the Aryans of Persia and Greece--it is the hallmark of Buddhism, in seeking ultimate Truth and Nirvana. Tribalism is the basis of Judaism and Islam, so you think as they do. Sure, Hinduism has local cults, as did our ancestors without Christ, but since Christ, there are just as many local cults, of Italian saints or of Germanic national churches.

    Since the beliefs are indeed of pre-Christian Aryan origin and Christendom is made of European demographics, whether Greco-Romans or Celto-Germans, it's just an issue of whether we ought to assimilate other traditions into the Pantheon and assimilate foreign populations into our system. Personally, I'd rather reclaim the Indo-Iranians than bother with the Afro-Asiatics, but we might be preaching to the choir. Christianity and Christendom are both clearly superior to the latter, but it is true that the former is our own heritage making use of the latter in order to illustrate our own points. Basically, Christianity displays our Aryan superiority over Semites.

    Once again, personally, I have a preference for a relationship with India over Arabia. I would like to focus on a Christian alliance with Hindu India against Muslim Pakistan and Bangladesh. It's only incidental to support Israel against the Arabs, to exploit their Semitic fratricide as a means to prevent anti-Aryan solidarity. You must not be aware that the War in Iraq has liberated the Aryan Kurds from Arab domination. Kurdish is now equal with Arabic in Iraq, thereby aiding Aryan Iran over Semites. Nevertheless, I do admit that it would be wonderful to convert all the Semites to Christianity, because it would mean that Aryan interpretations of Divinity are superior.

    If you mean to embrace the Aryans, it's best to validate those who truly are, in the Subcontinent, rather than ape them as the Nazis did, while dehumanizing actual Aryans. All the Satem Indo-Europeans are the actual Aryans, even the Gypsies. You'd rather dress up in their clothes and steal their identity after wiping them out. You took it upon yourselves to decide that the Aryan Poles didn't deserve respect, nor indigenous Germanics in the Low Countries and Scandinavia, calling British and Americans Jewish lackeys, while hoisting a Swastika from India and yet, rounding up all the Gypsies who came from India. There's hypocrisy and inconsistency in what you claim to stand for, juxtaposed with what you actually do.

    Marxism comes from Germany, just like Ashkenazim do. Germany spawned both. Keep blaming others for your own nonsense. Whatever feud between Jews and non-Jews in Germany, I don't care to be a part of. Germans invited the Jews to their country and regret it as Spaniards did and do...we all get it, ok? England and France actually expelled Jewry before they could become assimilated into the population, so you can explain why you see fit to export your Jewry to our society and blame us for it. Most people don't chalk Christianity up to the Talmud and Koran, written in reaction to our Bible. No Orthodox ideology out there is philo-Semitic, actually being anti-Semitic, even though Orthodoxy has more Semitic worshipers than either Protestantism or Catholicism.

    So then, we must understand why Germanic Protestantism and Ashkenazim on one hand and Roman Catholicism and Sephardim on the other, live as they do, without clear Aryan dominance and conversion of the Jewry to Christianity. That was and is still not a problem for Greek Orthodoxy, for Afro-Asiatics have become subsumed within their cultural domination. Why would Aramaic, Coptic and Ethiopian peoples of Afro-Asiatic origin choose Christianity and death at the hands of fellow Afro-Asiatics who were and are Jews and Muslims? It's clear that at least some Afro-Asiatics love Aryans, that's why. Hellenism is attractive to many, as Icarus here himself abandoned Germanic culture for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baorn
    Marxism comes from Germany, just like Ashkenazim do. Germany spawned both. Keep blaming others for your own nonsense.
    Marxism was nothing new, it was founded on an ancient Greek error. This is admitted by Georgi Plekhanov. All Marx did was systematize prevalent concepts. Hardly a product of Germany.

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    Yet you're a Hellenist. Christianity is just another stripe of Hellenism. Greeks authored the Bible in the Library of Alexandria.

    Yes, much of 18th & 19th century German ideology is derivative and plagiaristic. So, you state that Karl Marx was a secular Jew who based his manifesto off of the Gentiles' own Aryan perceptions. Otherwise, communism is claimed to be a Christian offshoot. Well, none of you can keep your story straight. It's a load of hogwash, especially the cafe intellectualism espoused by velvet.

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