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    Arrow US Congress: Massacres of Armenians A "Genocide"

    @Turkey: Mord verjährt nie! Murder does not come under the statute of limitations!

    A diplomatic rift between Turkey and the United States deepened on Friday after Ankara recalled its ambassador to Washington over a vote in the US Congress to label the massacre of Armenians by the Ottoman Turks an act of genocide. The envoy's recall came as the White House, which opposed the vote by the US House of Representatives foreign affairs committee, sought to mollify its Nato partner, which is a strategic staging post for US forces fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan. The House committee passed the genocide resolution on Wednesday despite Turkish warnings that such a move could seriously damage bilateral ties. The ambassador was ordered back on Thursday.

    "It is natural that the ambassador should be recalled for consultations after such a decision was taken in Congress," Turkish Foreign Ministry spokesperson Mahmut Bilman said. "It is difficult to say when he [the ambassador] will return to Washington," he added.

    Ankara staunchly rejects the genocide tag for the 1915 to 1917 mass killings of Armenians and its furious reaction to the Congress vote has fuelled fears within President George Bush's administration that it could lose access to a crucial military base in Turkey. White House national security council spokesperson Gordon Johndroe said he looked forward to the ambassador's "quick return" and reiterated the administration's opposition to the resolution "because of the grave harm it could bring to the national security of the United States".

    Nancy Pelosi, the Democratic speaker of the US House of Representatives, insisted that the resolution would go forward to a full House vote. Turkish President Abdullah Gul denounced the House committee vote as "unacceptable" and Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan warned further action could be taken if the resolution is passed by the full House. "We are going to continue our action before it [the text] goes before the full session," said Erdogan. "After that there are measures that we can take, but now is not the time to talk about them. We are evaluating these measures."

    A senior lawmaker from Erdogan's ruling party has signalled that Turkey could consider barring the United States from the Incirlik military base -- an important staging post for operations in Iraq and Afghanistan. At least 1,5-million Armenians were killed from 1915 to 1917 under an Ottoman Empire campaign of deportation and murder, according to Armenians. Turkey acknowledges that 250 000 to 500 000 Armenians and at least as many Turks died in a conflict after Armenians took up arms for independence.

    The Bush administration said it would lobby the full Democratic-led House against taking the measure further. Defence Secretary Robert Gates, during a visit to London, highlighted the possible threat to US supply lines into Iraq, with 70% of US air cargo, 30% of fuel shipments to US forces and 95% of new Mine Resistant Armoured Protected Vehicles (MRAPS) passing through Turkey.

    France, Canada and the European Parliament are among those that have labelled the Armenian killings as genocide. French military planes are no longer allowed to fly over Turkish airspace. George Harris, a former State Department expert on Turkey, said Ankara's decision to recall its ambassador "shows a certain amount of seriousness". But the Middle East Institute analyst added: "There's a lot of politicking going on. They have tied their hands a little bit by stirring up such a hornet's nest in Turkish public opinion."

    Armenia strongly welcomed the US Congress vote while Turkey warned that the already tense relations could suffer more. "Armenia will altogether lose [the prospect of] positive openings in the future," Erdogan said.

    Turkey refuses to establish diplomatic relations with its eastern neighbour because of its campaign for the international recognition of the massacre as genocide. Turkey dealt a heavy economic blow to the impoverished ex-Communist nation in 1993 when it shut their common border in a show of solidarity with Azerbaijan, which was at war with Armenia over the territory of Nagorny-Karabakh. Turkey and Azerbaijan are close allies. -- AFP

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    Typically turks, they can wine about genocides against their folk but see their own genocides towards other folks as nothing to be mentioned.




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    How unfortunate for Turkey. I hope they continue to deny having perpetrated this crime, so the EU will eventually just get fed up of the savages.

    Imagine if Germany had acted like Turkey does now... what a fuss other countries would kick up.

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    The US Congress has no business sticking it's nose into something that happen in the South Caucasus region 90-years ago. The reason for doing this is to allow some congressmen to applease their wealthy Armenian-American constituents. Armenians are a very small group in the US, but they are concentrated in a few places like Greater Boston & Los Angeles. And many of them are affluent. Imho, Armenians are no better then Jews. If all the Jews mysterious vanished today, the Armenians are the ones most likely to step in & fill the void in the usurous financial services & in degenerative media left vacant. Taking up the Armenian cause is just as wrong as supporting Israel.

    Two other nations that have labaled what happen to the Armenians in WWI as genocide, France & Canada, also have wealthy, influential Armenian diaspora communities.

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    Actually a good real life acquaintance of me has an aunt working for AP in Palestine and when he visited her he was in Israel for some days,too. There he experienced that the Israelis have the same prejudices for Armenians we have for Jews. They say they'd sell their own grandmother for some Shekel.
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    It's not just Israel either, no one in the middle east would do business with an Armenian

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    Fine, I don't like Armenians either, but let's not lose sight of how useful this entire affair is in hindering Turkey from entering the EU.

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    Turks threaten retaliation over US congress genocide Bill

    Turkey threatens retaliation over US genocide Bill

    Ankara, Turkey

    16 October 2007 01:28

    Turkey on Tuesday accused Washington of playing "petty" politics and threatened reprisals if the United States Congress votes on a motion branding the World War I massacre of Armenians by Ottoman Turks an act of genocide.

    "We see that common sense is gradually losing ground to petty political calculations. Therefore we will adopt a corresponding attitude," Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan told members of his ruling Justice and Development Party.

    "Whatever damage Turkey suffers, its opponents will suffer ten-fold," he said.

    Erdogan did not specify what reprisals Ankara has in mind against its long-standing Nato ally.

    "We have come to the point of considering new ways and means," he said. "The limits of our tolerance are being exceeded."

    The US House Foreign Affairs Committee last week endorsed a resolution labelling the 1915 to 1917 Armenian massacres as genocide.

    The White House opposes the measure, but Speaker Nancy Pelosi has said she is determined to submit the Bill to a full vote in the House.

    Turkish officials have signalled that adoption of the Bill may lead to Ankara barring the US from using the Incirlik Air Force Base in southern Turkey, a key facility in the transport of US cargo to Iraq and Afghanistan.

    The genocide Bill put further strain on bilateral ties at a time when Turkey, defying US pressure, is preparing the legal ground for a possible incursion into neighbouring northern Iraq to pursue Kurdish rebels taking refuge there.

    Erdogan warned that the prospect of improving ties with neighbouring Armenia would also suffer.

    "Those who expect openings from Turkey will be left alone with their problems," he said. "They will have to pay the cost of their hostility towards an important country like Turkey."

    Turkey refuses to establish diplomatic relations with Armenia because of its campaign for the international recognition of the massacres as genocide.

    Turkey dealt a heavy economic blow to the impoverished ex-Communist nation in 1993 as it shut their common border in a show of solidarity with its close ally Azerbaijan, which was at war with Armenia over the territory of Nagorny-Karabakh.

    An estimated 70 000 Armenians are working illegally in Turkey, tolerated by the government. Opposition parties have called for their expulsion as a measure of reprisal.

    In 2005, Ankara suggested to Yerevan that a joint commission be created to study the genocide allegations as a first step towards normalising ties.

    Erdogan regretted on Tuesday that Yerevan had not responded to the proposal.

    In June, Armenian Foreign Minister Vardan Oskanian said Yerevan was ready "to create any commission that is needed to address whatever issue" if Turkey opens the border between the two countries.

    Armenians say up to 1,5-million of their kinsmen died in deportations and systematic killings under the Ottoman Empire.

    Ankara counters that 300 000 Armenians and at least as many Turks died in civil strife during World War I when the Armenians took up arms for independence in eastern Anatolia and sided with Russian troops invading the crumbling empire. -- AFP
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Solar Wolff View Post
    I wonder if the real issue is a Democrat-led initiative to hurt the Iraq war by splitting off Turkey as a supply line. Any thoughts on this?
    Judging what I've heard over the past few days, and Turkey's decision to invade northern Iraq, I'd say you are correct in this
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