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    Post Re: Silurian type? Can somone post a pic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scoob
    This material is largely unfamiliar to me, so I don't have much intelligent to say about it. Does the Brace textbook give a general outline of the material you are discussing?

    Can you give a brief description of the Mechtoid physical type?

    The attached file on this thread mentions that the Irish have show traces of recent migrations (in the lasst 7000 years) from Subsaharan Africa. Other more northern groups that the Irish have affinities with (including in particular Swedes) do not show traces of this.
    http://www.forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=8596
    I posted about the lineages, but it sems to be gone.

    The Mechtoid ("Mechta-Afalou") is a tall, robust modern type similar to Cro-Magnon, with a broad skull. It has been suggested that that this race contributes the depigmented element of Berbers in North Africa. They were orthognathous and also had strong zygomata and broad nasal openings (despite a jutting nose). They also had a slightly keeled skull.

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    Post Re: Silurian type? Can somone post a pic?

    Quote Originally Posted by atlanto-med
    I posted about the lineages, but it sems to be gone.

    The Mechtoid ("Mechta-Afalou") is a tall, robust modern type similar to Cro-Magnon, with a broad skull. It has been suggested that that this race contributes the depigmented element of Berbers in North Africa. They were orthognathous and also had strong zygomata and broad nasal openings (despite a jutting nose). They also had a slightly keeled skull.
    Correct.
    The pronounced browridges and low, very recessive foreheads parallels the Central European Cromagnoids of the Mladec-Predmost group, though the vault heights are much lower.
    Every property of the facial and cranial skeleton is translated in an impressing massive coarseness: supramastoid ridges, mastoid processes and transversal occipital torus are all extremely large, the malars jut anteriorly and flare laterally, the massive mandible has a prominent chin.
    In profile(I hope to scan those pictures in) the Mechtoid is familiar to Predmost, both have a less rounded vault than the Old Man of Cro Magnon, but unlike the Near Eastern Capellids and Mediterranids, lambdoid flattening is present.
    Coon thought that Cro Magnon and Afalou were the products of a cross between Capellids and Neanderthalids, but short wide faces and low orbits would be antithetic to the Neanderthalid form(E.A.Hooton).
    Considering however the evolution to a shortening of the human face and the anticipation of a chin in several authentic Neanderthalids, and also a few unmistakingly non-modern traits among the Mladec-Predmost group, this survival may hold still some validity.

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    Post Re: Silurian type? Can somone post a pic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Frans_Jozef
    Correct.
    The pronounced browridges and low, very recessive foreheads parallels the Central European Cromagnoids of the Mladec-Predmost group, though the vault heights are much lower.
    Every property of the facial and cranial skeleton is translated in an impressing massive coarseness: supramastoid ridges, mastoid processes and transversal occipital torus are all extremely large, the malars jut anteriorly and flare laterally, the massive mandible has a prominent chin.
    In profile(I hope to scan those pictures in) the Mechtoid is familiar to Predmost, both have a less rounded vault than the Old Man of Cro Magnon, but unlike the Near Eastern Capellids and Mediterranids, lambdoid flattening is present.
    Coon thought that Cro Magnon and Afalou were the products of a cross between Capellids and Neanderthalids, but short wide faces and low orbits would be antithetic to the Neanderthalid form(E.A.Hooton).
    Considering however the evolution to a shortening of the human face and the anticipation of a chin in several authentic Neanderthalids, and also a few unmistakingly non-modern traits among the Mladec-Predmost group, this survival may hold still some validity.
    Cro-Magnon 1 has similarities to Krapina and perhaps to Jebel Irhoud, the "neanderthaloid" from North Africa, which has been considered as related to Florisbad (helmei) and to Herto (idaltu).

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    Post Re: Silurian type? Can somone post a pic?

    Quote Originally Posted by atlanto-med
    I posted about the lineages, but it sems to be gone.

    The Mechtoid ("Mechta-Afalou") is a tall, robust modern type similar to Cro-Magnon, with a broad skull. It has been suggested that that this race contributes the depigmented element of Berbers in North Africa. They were orthognathous and also had strong zygomata and broad nasal openings (despite a jutting nose). They also had a slightly keeled skull.

    Mixed Mechtoids?

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    Post Re: Silurian type? Can somone post a pic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Euclides
    Mixed Mechtoids?
    I would say they are. I would also classify the murderer Fred West as showing racial features that are close to the Mechtoid type.

    http://www.home.zonnet.nl/Gebr-Slotb...west/photo.htm
    Last edited by morfrain_encilgar; Thursday, April 1st, 2004 at 04:20 PM.

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    Post Re: Silurian type? Can somone post a pic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scoob
    Can you give a brief description of the Mechtoid physical type?
    Here is an image of a Mechtoid skull (a) , and a Capsian skull (b) ,for comparison.
    Last edited by morfrain_encilgar; Friday, April 2nd, 2004 at 12:04 AM.

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    Post Re: Silurian type? Can somone post a pic?

    Quote Originally Posted by atlanto-med
    I would say they are. I would also classify the murderer Fred West as showing racial features that are close to the Mechtoid type.

    http://www.home.zonnet.nl/Gebr-Slotb...west/photo.htm
    No, Afalou is totally divergent in a lower and squared face that has a much more attenuate alveolar border; West has a longer face, the upper face is greater and the general outline is rectangular.
    Afalou and Mechoids have more in common with Borreby and primitive Alpines than with any robust Near Eastern and robust European Mediterranid(barring the Berids).

    This Neanderthal skull of La Ferrasie have more reason to be depicted as showing some association to Fred West, minus the small alveolar region again.
    That particular feature must have some Near Eastern Mediterrenean source, the higher upper face is however again something that reminds of Neanderthal Man...UP Europeans may have had high or low faces, the upper facial segment was generally contracted.
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    Post Re: Silurian type? Can somone post a pic?

    Quote Originally Posted by atlanto-med
    I posted about the lineages, but it sems to be gone.

    The Mechtoid ("Mechta-Afalou") is a tall, robust modern type similar to Cro-Magnon, with a broad skull. It has been suggested that that this race contributes the depigmented element of Berbers in North Africa. They were orthognathous and also had strong zygomata and broad nasal openings (despite a jutting nose). They also had a slightly keeled skull.

    According with Camile Arambourg in his book '' L'Homme avant l'écriture '', Negroid features related to the Mechtid or Mechtoid type are still found among the Muge population in Portugal.

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    Post Re: Silurian type? Can somone post a pic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Euclides
    According with Camile Arambourg in his book '' L'Homme avant l'écriture '', Negroid features related to the Mechtid or Mechtoid type are still found among the Muge population in Portugal.
    According to Irish, Mechtoids differ from subsahharan Africans. However Afalou is a distant outlier from the other Iberomaurusians he included, so he claims Afalou shouldnt be considred as the same type as the other Mechtoids.

    Brace refers to Ibreomaurusian and Capsian moderns as subsaharan until they recieved Eurasian admixture more recently than Irish supports, because theres evidence that Eurasian admixture was already present in North Africa.

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    Post Re: Silurian type? Can somone post a pic?

    the truth is that the last maximum Ice age brought a complete change in the race panorama in europe.

    the northern jumped into several south refugee or went extinction, promoting a type of euro melting pot in those refugees.

    there are no definite theory where was this refugees, but according to genetics, there was one south of ucraine, balkans and Iberia peninsula.

    the western refugee did the most recolonization of the atlantic and western europe, the middle refugee recolonize more the central and interior parts of europe, the eartern one , the eastern parts.

    this ended when the neolithic farmers arrived from the east.
    shake this stuff for a little (thoushands of years), and you get present day panorama.

    studying ancient fossils might be helpfull to compreend the pre-historic circunstances, but the all picture is a little more complex.

    Regards!
    Vitor

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