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    I was hoping to see a pic of a Silurian type so that I may better understand what it means. Can someone help me out?

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    Post Re: Silurian type? Can somone post a pic?

    I'm not sure what Silurian type is but, according to SNPA, Tom Jones is of the Silurian type:

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    Thanks for the reply. It was the SPNA that sparked my interest in learning more about the "Silurian" type, but I can't find much info. Does anyone know much about thier origins? Also what defines a Silurian as opposed to a paleo-atlantid, or even atlanto-med. Is is the curley/frizzy hair?

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    Post Re: Silurian type? Can somone post a pic?

    what is the SNPA or SPNA...?
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    Post Re: Silurian type? Can somone post a pic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Elistariel
    what is the SNPA or SPNA...?

    Society for Nordish Physical Anthropology.

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    Post Re: Silurian type? Can somone post a pic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Atlancos
    I'm not sure what Silurian type is but, according to SNPA, Tom Jones is of the Silurian type:

    It's a shame that Atlanto-Med cant join in this discussion, since she had some sensible things to say about this topic, alas, her computer is giving her some headaches lately due to software problems that cut her off from the internet.

    To summarize in short her opinion about the Silurian type, she thinks the North African Cromagnoids, the so-called Mechtids, has a Subsaharan lineage(her statement is based on Chris Stringer's statement that modern man had negroidteeth and the archaic moderns in Skhul and Qafzeh are also crypto-negroid Subsaharans, while I dismissed both claims: first, the Subsaharan pre-sapiens and sapiens look anything but Negrid, rather Caucasoid, Australoid or Cromagnoid with incipient traces of races which stand out of the Mitteler Rassenlinie, second, the Mechtids are Caucasoids, but what links them to tropical and equatorial Africa is the dental mutulation in the upper jaw, less so in the mandible, by avulsion of the incissors; though, it's known also in the Palestine Natufians, so it might originate from that part of the world and transmitted down below via the Western Sahel, where AM assumes to be the cradle of the Negrid race, which is basically a hybrid between Mechtids and (Proto-)Pygmees-Asselar Man, is a good example of this racial miscellany).
    Counting on Brace's craniometric comparisons somehowthere happens to exist a link between Mechtids and Negritos, the latter are also clustered with the Veddas in Handramaut and what goes by as a negroid element on the Arabian Peninsula account in recent studies to the indiginious and ancient Negrito race.
    There are also connections with the Hamites and the Aethiopids, but the picture gets fuzzy and complicated and for the sake of keeping it neatly arranged, I leave them out here.
    But Sergi is a important source for AM in his reference to what she calls a UP Hamitic race.
    Probably the term should be australo-caucasoid, this concept helps to integrate the Pacific group of the Mittlere Rassenlinie, e.g. the Papuans which uncannyly as youngsters are strongly reminiscent of Negritos, but loose this similitude with adulthood.
    The hair is frizzled of the Papuans, very rare in Europe, but of an ancient character and connected to the Mechtids, of whom the Silurians bear not a few traits, proven by the existence of North African genes on the British Isles.
    Last edited by Frans_Jozef; Wednesday, March 31st, 2004 at 02:59 PM.

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    Post Re: Silurian type? Can somone post a pic?

    Interesting observations that she made.
    All I can add is that the name derives from Silures who were a tribe living in southern Wales and possibly Cornwall during Roman times. Roman writers (Tacitus, I believe) described them as being fairly swarthy with dark hair prone to curling. He believed these traits pointed to an Iberian connection

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    Post Re: Silurian type? Can somone post a pic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Frans_Jozef
    To summarize in short her opinion about the Silurian type, she thinks the North African Cromagnoids, the so-called Mechtids, has a Subsaharan lineage
    Mechtoids and Capsians are associated with crtain related maternal lineages, which are found in the Caucasoids of Spain and North Africa, but also among subsaharan Africans in the Sahel and East Africa. The Capsian (Mediterranid) lineage seems to have replaced the Iberomaurusian one, pushing the Mechtoid traces to the fringes.

    her statement is based on Chris Stringer's statement that modern man had negroidteeth and the archaic moderns in Skhul and Qafzeh are also crypto-negroid Subsaharans, while I dismissed both claims:
    By Subsaharan, it is unclear wether he means Negroids and Capoids, or also East Africans.

    first, the Subsaharan pre-sapiens and sapiens look anything but Negrid, rather Caucasoid, Australoid or Cromagnoid with incipient traces of races which stand out of the Mitteler Rassenlinie, second, the Mechtids are Caucasoids, but what links them to tropical and equatorial Africa is the dental mutulation in the upper jaw, less so in the mandible, by avulsion of the incissors; though, it's known also in the Palestine Natufians, so it might originate from that part of the world and transmitted down below via the Western Sahel, where AM assumes to be the cradle of the Negrid race, which is basically a hybrid between Mechtids and (Proto-)Pygmees-Asselar Man, is a good example of this racial miscellany).
    I believe that the Iberomaurusians and Capsians had an origin in or near Epipaleolithic West Asia, but because of the Mechtoid affinities of Taramsa (an "arachaic modern" from Egypt, that is asociated with "transitional" tools betwen those asociated with the Middle and Upper Paleolithic), I believe that Mechtoids must show local admixture.

    Counting on Brace's craniometric comparisons somehowthere happens to exist a link between Mechtids and Negritos,
    The link is supported by Harvati. I don't know if it was also supported by Brace but I don't think so.

    the latter are also clustered with the Veddas in Handramaut and what goes by as a negroid element on the Arabian Peninsula account in recent studies to the indiginious and ancient Negrito race.
    This is the suggestion on one website. And it is Hanihara et al who consider the Andamanese Negritids as closst to the Veddids, and as part of a South Asian lineage. However, this was a Caucasoid lineage and I wonder what the results would have been if the Caucasoid-Veddoid hybrids of India had not been included in their sample.

    There are also connections with the Hamites and the Aethiopids, but the picture gets fuzzy and complicated and for the sake of keeping it neatly arranged, I leave them out here.
    Mechtoid maternal lineages are present in East Africa. The earliest known Negroids are, interestingly enough, similar to Nilotids and to the western "Ethiopids" like the Dogon and the Fulani. It is quite possible that the Nilo-Saharan languages are the languages of these early Negroids. They are most associated with East Africa and Fezzan but are also represented by Songhai in the west. I don't know any vidence of a westward migration of Songhai to the Niger. Even if there was a migration to the west, these languages are still spoken by, different Negroid types, the "Saharians" of the Fezzan (who are not to be confused with "Saharids") and the Nilotids. It looks like Niger-Congo and Afro-Asiatic languages replaced these languages elsewhere.

    But Sergi is a important source for AM in his reference to what she calls a UP Hamitic race.
    He isn't an important source, but evidence does support his theories that the Mediteranids were once a seperate race, neither white or black, that disappeared by hybridisation into neighbouring races.

    Probably the term should be australo-caucasoid, this concept helps to integrate the Pacific group of the Mittlere Rassenlinie, e.g. the Papuans which uncannyly as youngsters are strongly reminiscent of Negritos, but loose this similitude with adulthood.
    The hair is frizzled of the Papuans, very rare in Europe, but of an ancient character and connected to the Mechtids, of whom the Silurians bear not a few traits, proven by the existence of North African genes on the British Isles.
    I believe that the Berid, or coarse Mediterranean race, is not evidence of Negroid admixture into the Mediterranids. But it is evidence of admixture, at a time before the modern races as we know them. And this type has an ancetor that I think was important in the formation of Negriods.

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    Very interesting.

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    Post Re: Silurian type? Can somone post a pic?

    Quote Originally Posted by atlanto-med
    Mechtoids and Capsians are associated with crtain related maternal lineages, which are found in the Caucasoids of Spain and North Africa, but also among subsaharan Africans in the Sahel and East Africa. The Capsian (Mediterranid) lineage seems to have replaced the Iberomaurusian one, pushing the Mechtoid traces to the fringes.
    This material is largely unfamiliar to me, so I don't have much intelligent to say about it. Does the Brace textbook give a general outline of the material you are discussing?

    Can you give a brief description of the Mechtoid physical type?

    The attached file on this thread mentions that the Irish have show traces of recent migrations (in the lasst 7000 years) from Subsaharan Africa. Other more northern groups that the Irish have affinities with (including in particular Swedes) do not show traces of this.
    http://www.forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=8596
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