View Poll Results: Are you in favour of capital punishment?

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Thread: Are You in Favour of the Death Penalty/Capital Punishment?

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    Rapist-murderer of children to hang in rare case after India’s Supreme Court dismisses appeal


    Almost a decade after two men abducted, raped and killed two children in the Indian city of Coimbatore, death sentence passed on the surviving perpetrator got ultimate confirmation by the nation’s top court.


    R Manoharan is to die by hanging after the three-judge court dismissed in full on Thursday his petition to review his death sentence. In a 2:1 vote, the court ruled death is more appropriate punishment than a life behind bars for the “shocking” and “cold-blooded” crimes he had committed.


    The October 2010 case horrified India with the callous brutality of Manoharan and his accomplice, Mohanakrishnan. The latter, who worked as a taxi driver, abused the trust of the wealthy Jain family, which occasionally used his services when their regular driver was not available.


    Mohanakrishnan picked up two siblings, the 7-year-old brother Hrithik and the 10-year-old sister Muskan, ostensibly to take them to school. But the two men, who were both 23 at the time, abducted the siblings for ransom. But they apparently got cold feet and, instead, decided to get rid of the children, but not before raping the little girl. They then gave them poisoned milk, which failed to kill the siblings, and later tied them up and dumped into a canal, killing the battered helpless victims by drowning.


    Both men were quickly identified and arrested, but only Manoharan ever stood before the court for the crimes. His accomplice was shot and killed by the police in early November, when he was brought to the crime scene and reportedly tried to escape. The surviving killer-rapist was sentenced to death in 2012, and remained on the death row since as his appeals went up the judicial branch. It reached the Supreme Court in August this year.


    Capital punishment was kept by India’s penal code after the nation became independent, with the assassin of Mahatma Gandhi and one of his co-conspirators becoming the first to be hanged in 1949. Deaths sentences have only rarely led to executions in the past decades, even less so for crimes not related to terrorism. The only such person to be executed in the 21st century was a convicted rapist of a 14-year-old girl, who was hanged in West Bengal in 2004.



    R T: Rapist-murderer of children to hang in rare case after India’s Supreme Court dismisses appeal

    07 XI 2019.

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    This is a topic where I posted somewhat controversial ideas when I was a tender 18 or 19 years of age. And it's a topic about which I've probably changed my mind more than any other topic over the years. I naturally also don't consider torturous practices as a possible method of punishment as I mused in these carefree years of youth. An iron hand can, after all, be applied for the most heinous crimes without acting like Attila the Hun.

    Back in the days, I had this notion of society needing to liberally employ the death penalty for hard and/or repeated instances of the four most offensive crimes, which continue to remain child molestation, rape, murder and high treason --- based on the honour codex of a long bygone era. I matured then into believing it should be available as an option, but used sparingly. I also still had this notion a three-way-verdict system of guilty/not guilty/not proven could make sure, miscarriages of justice didn't happen. Bear in mind I was then a law student and tackled the topic from a somewhat more abstract position and had this idea the Rule of Law was a bit like a philosopher king.

    At this point in time, I do no longer believe that the death penalty is an adequate punishment. And it all happened over the "high treason" point. I still consider that to be amongst the worst crimes. However, it's subject to interpretation and open to abuse. As far as we're concerned, some far-left "experts" would field an "expertise" that would essentially end in sending people to the gallows for "hate speech" on supposed 'high treason' counts. The more disheartened you become with how the Deep State functions, the less you believe you should give the power over life and death into its hands.

    Domestic rapists and child molesters should instead, like serial killers and other clear cold-blooded murderers, be sent to lengthy prison sentences with few freedoms. The former two should ideally be considered for chemical castration upon release. For all three, there should be an option of "life without an option of parole". Also, high security prisons should cease to be the "holiday camp" places they currently are in much of Europe.
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    It really depends what punishment philosophy you believe in ...
    Deterrence? Tons of research is available to show that the DP in not an effective deterrent.

    Incapacitation? Well, works to some degree because murderous biest is not out on the street doing more bad things - but can be accomplished more cheaply via incarceration
    Retribution? Best argument still for the DP - eye for an eye
    As far as the US is concerned, financially it's just not feasible. Even if you you are strongly believing in the eye for an eye principles, it makes financially no sense, because a DP case costs way more than housing someone for the rest of their lives (appeals etc.).

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    Very much in favour of it on crystal clear cases that are backed by undeniable evidence.

    And the death penalty should apply only to all sorts of pedophiles, even if they "just" owned pornographic material and to all psychopathic murderers and general mass murderers.

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