View Poll Results: Are you in favour of capital punishment?

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    Death penalty is not allowed in Europe ... that's humane way.

    Do you think that there can be crimes (that bad) which still would deserve death penalty? If you think that, which kind of crimes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finnish Swede View Post
    Death penalty is not allowed in Europe ... that's humane way.

    Do you think that there can be crimes (that bad) which still would deserve death penalty? If you think that, which kind of crimes?
    A few examples of criminal acts that are considered worthy of death in the USA:

    1. Murder by proxy.
    2. Kidnapping, especially those acts involving the death of the victim.
    3. Treason during a time of declared war.
    4. Acts considered terrorism that result in mayhem or death.
    5. Premeditated murder.
    6. Serial rape and murder.
    7. Totally heinous acts involving inhumane torture resulting in the eventual death of the victim(s).

    Hmmm. With all the terrible acts of violence being committed in your homelands lately by mudslim invaders, I would think you (and many other citizens) would be calling for the reinstatement of capital punishment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gareth Lee Hunter View Post

    Hmmm. With all the terrible acts of violence being committed in your homelands lately by mudslim invaders, I would think you (and many other citizens) would be calling for the reinstatement of capital punishment.
    What would you do to man here (if she would have been your 17 years old daughter)?


    Man kidnapped a girl as a girl had been coming back to home after hers shift in cafeteria (summer job).
    Police finally found the disappeared girl 5 days later after intense searching ... dead & naked. Some rumors said, not in one piece.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finnish Swede View Post
    What would you do to man here (if she would have been your 17 years old daughter)?


    Man kidnapped a girl as a girl had been coming back to home after hers shift in cafeteria (summer job).
    Police finally found the disappeared girl 5 days later after intense searching ... dead & naked. Some rumors said, not in one piece.
    Once the suspect was proven guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt in a court of law that they perpetrated such a heinous crime, I would want to witness their execution by the State. This would not bring my child back to me. But it would provide at least some closure for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gareth Lee Hunter View Post
    Once the suspect was proven guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt in a court of law that they perpetrated such a heinous crime, I would want to witness their execution by the State. This would not bring my child back to me. But it would provide at least some closure for me.
    Oh, police found a suspect. He was 35 years old foreigner man (not Swedish).

    There were some evidences and finally DNA tests proved that. He had killed a girl by taping her mouth and then slowly hanged her. Police found lots of violent sadistic porn material from man's house. From the beginning man's idea had not only been to make sexual violences but also murder her. Because of that he got life imprisonment. In Sweden that means minimum:
    18 years, but parole hearing may be held after 10 years served, thus fixing a much later date for release on parole,

    I admit, I'm not very religious person ... and I wonder what are ''the rights'' of that kind of cruel human to live? One, who directly enjoy watching the sufferings of others?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finnish Swede View Post
    Oh, police found a suspect. He was 35 years old foreigner man (not Swedish).

    There were some evidences and finally DNA tests proved that. He had killed a girl by taping her mouth and then slowly hanged her. Police found lots of violent sadistic porn material from man's house. From the beginning man's idea had not only been to make sexual violences but also murder her. Because of that he got life imprisonment. In Sweden that means minimum:
    18 years, but parole hearing may be held after 10 years served, thus fixing a much later date for release on parole,

    I admit, I'm not very religious person ... and I wonder what are ''the rights'' of that kind of cruel human to live? One, who directly enjoy watching the sufferings of others
    If the "suspect" in such a brutally violent crime is proven to be the actual perpetrator, they should be executed.

    Such monsters have no place in normal society, where they would always prove to be a violent menace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Finnish Swede View Post
    Oh, police found a suspect. He was 35 years old foreigner man (not Swedish).

    There were some evidences and finally DNA tests proved that. He had killed a girl by taping her mouth and then slowly hanged her. Police found lots of violent sadistic porn material from man's house. From the beginning man's idea had not only been to make sexual violences but also murder her. Because of that he got life imprisonment. In Sweden that means minimum:
    18 years, but parole hearing may be held after 10 years served, thus fixing a much later date for release on parole,

    I admit, I'm not very religious person ... and I wonder what are ''the rights'' of that kind of cruel human to live? One, who directly enjoy watching the sufferings of others?
    In a democracy, the only rights any of us have are those we vote for (in theory). The majority decides what is good and bad, and that can change over time.

    If a person is a real danger to society then he or she must be kept separate in a prison or other secure place. But should they be killed? I think that the relatives of a murder victim should decide if the murderer is executed and one of them should push the button or pull the trigger if they want the revenge. If they want to give mercy to the murderer then so be it - it should not be the decision of the state.

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    Yes, but I think that it shouldn't be abused. This might sound one-dimensional but some people either can't, or don't want to be helped and therefore present a constant risk to society.

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    Prison cell of the last woman hanged in the UK recreated in London


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    ON EASTER SUNDAY 1955, 28-year-old Ruth Ellis fired four bullets at point-blank range into David Blakely outside the Magdala pub in Hampstead, London. Having killed her abusive lover, Ellis was arrested and taken to Holloway Prison to await trial for murder. Alone in jail, she found peace, says Irish artist Christina Reihill, whose upcoming London exhibition Glad I Did It recreates Ellis’ prison cell and invites its audience into the mind of the last woman to be hanged in the UK.


    Captivated

    Working as a journalist in London in the 1980s, Reihill was one day contacted by a friend who’d been in touch with an Irish man who’d worked with Ruth Ellis at the Little Club in Knightsbridge, which Ellis managed. Although this “bloke could remember very little”, recalls Reihill, “it was the first time that I learned about this lady, Ruth Ellis.” Though captivated, it would be another 30 years before the journalist-turned-artist returned to Ruth Ellis, to a trial that divided a nation.

    As Reihill puts it, her own life “was filed away into disaster”. Alcohol abuse and drug use meant she went from “Condé Nast to handing out leaflets in strange parts of London.” But last year, following a show she’d staged celebrating American writer Dorothy Parker, Reihill says that she sat back in the seat of a friend’s car and heard Ellis’ name whispered in her head. “I’d just put the last bloody prop away and my head was mangled. Mangled.” Reihill set about researching Ellis’ life and the events leading up to her killing Blakely.




    Here was a tragic story, says Reihill.
    In order to get two pennies together she was either on her back or serving drinks. It was a non-stop frenetic life from the age of 14 when she left school. Born in 1926, Ellis worked as a hostess, prostitute and model. While managing the Little Club, she met David Blakely with whom she began a tempestuous relationship, Blakely causing Ellis to miscarriage after he punched her in the stomach. The pair continued to see each other despite Ellis’ relationship with Desmond Cussen, from whose flat she left on the 10 April 1955 in pursuit of Blakely. At 9:30pm, as he emerged from the Magdala with his friend Clive Gunnell, Ellis called to Blakely whom she shot at point-blank range, killing him. Stunned, she was arrested immediately.

    Ellis’ subsequent case captivated the UK and renewed the death penalty debate. Her trial lasted one day, her fate sealed when asked by the Prosecution what she intended to do when she fired the revolver at close range. “It is obvious when I shot him I intended to kill him,” she replied. Since 1955, there have been numerous campaigns seeking a posthumous pardon for Ellis.
    Ellis’ time in her condemned cell – and questions surrounding desire, grief and true love – are what artist Reihill chose to focus on. “It’s obvious that the condemned cell is her mind,” she says.


    Profoundly offensive?

    Having gathered “every single piece of information” from Ellis’ time at Holloway Prison, Reihill says she set about recreating her time spent in her prison cell. Recorded by prison wardens, Ellis’ day-to-day life while awaiting trial were not what one might expect from a condemned prisoner, says Reihill.
    She is reading. She’s is sleeping. She’s chatting. She’s receiving guests. People appear to meet her as if she were having them for tea. Featuring prison files, psychiatrist notes and diary entries, Glad I Did It allows visitors to step inside Ellis’ mind in the lead up to her death and examine what led her to murder Blakely.


    Layout of Ruth Ellis' recreated prison cell.


    With the use of audio recordings, Reihill’s installation – which runs at Bermondsey Project Space in London from 14 November to 1 December – seeks to explore the psychology surrounding Ellis’ action, which led to her hanging on 13 July 1955. On the ground floor, says artist Ellis, visitors to Project Space will enter Ellis’ “condemned cell”. Over three gallery floors of 1950s set pieces – including the hanging rope and trapdoor – Glad I Did It allows the audience to make up their own minds about Ellis’ actions, says Reihill.

    I’m not taking a moral position. I’m entirely focused on her mind.

    The audience will be divided, though.

    Some might find it profoundly offensive. For others, it makes sense.


    journal.ie, 10 Nov 2018.

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