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Thread: Are You in Favour of the Death Penalty/Capital Punishment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emma of Normandy View Post
    Maybe the death penalty would be unnecessary or very rarely used in a high trust, reasonably homogenous society. Very few of us live in one of those these days. I don't think it does much good now either but that's because it's sort of a crapshoot which of the many murders which contain the elements that would allow for a death sentence are actually charged and sentenced that way. A deterrent can't work if the odds of it being carried out, even if the criminal is caught and convicted, are miniscule.
    On the one hand, we can say that the death penalty is immoral, no one has the right to dispose of someone else's life. But if we are talking about a serial killer who took 5, 10 human lives? Well, ok, he was sentenced for life and he continues to parasitize, lives at the expense of honest taxpayers, civilians, including those who suffered from his actions.

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    Many Britons may favour the death penalty, but have we turned too snowflakey, feminised, and effete for it ever to return?

    Many Britons may favour the death penalty, but have we turned too snowflakey, feminised, and effete for it ever to return?

    None of the empirical and pragmatic arguments for or against capital punishment is decisive. America and other nations retain the ultimate sanction, but it’s unlikely we’ll restore it. It is too repugnant to today’s generation.

    “Most Americans favour the death penalty,” a Pew Research public opinion poll discloses. And in 2011 a survey by Angus Reid showed that 65% of Brits supported reinstating capital punishment for murder. Might the gallows be back, then?

    Mr Abdallah al-Bishi, the official executioner of Saudi Arabia, gave a calm and sensible
    rationale for his job. He quoted the Qur’an – an impeccable procedure for a Muslim. The Christian revelation is more nuanced. The Old Testament permits capital punishment. Pacifists who quote the Decalogue, “Thou shalt not kill,” ignore that the same holy law demanded death for many offences. And the Lord of Hosts commanded his chosen people to fight and kill in war. Hence the Anglican Prayer Book translates the injunction as “Thou shalt do no murder.” It is unlawful killing, the murder of the innocent that the Bible forbids, not the dispatching of the guilty.

    The Church of England, when she still meant anything, taught that “the laws of the realm may punish Christian men with death, for heinous and grievous offences” (Article XXXVII in the Book of Common Prayer). Today she seems to bleat the opposite but then… who gives a damn, really? “Heinous and grievous offences.” That must include the rape and murder of young girls. A monster so guilty once got a life sentence. It prompted the distressed sister of one of the victims to proclaim on TV that justice had not been done. She spoke of “an eye for an eye.” Cries for the culprit to be ‘unofficially’ punished in jail were heard. That emphasises how Britain is today a sub-Christian, even a non-Christian, society.

    “An eye for an eye” embodies a principle of justice, proportionality. Only one eye to be taken, not two. It looks simple but it isn’t. How do you punish someone guilty of rape? Do you really want the brute to be violated in return? But it depends on the case. An Iranian religious court sentenced a man to have acid poured into his face – he had disfigured and blinded a girl’s face with acid. The usual suspects, the ubiquitous human rights activists, made a stink and the sentence was suspended. Yet, looking at the destroyed face of the poor girl, I didn’t feel like condemning the Iranian court. I couldn't.

    A standard objection to capital punishment: what if a mistake is made and an innocent person is hanged? It has happened. I would invoke an analogy with war. The human rights brigade often clamour for humanitarian interventions, but they know in any war the innocent get killed. ‘Collateral damage’ is the euphemism for that. Yet, they believe war is for a greater good, like, say, in the case of the bombing of Libya. Similarly, the possibility of an occasional mistake cannot invalidate a general argument for the death penalty.

    Does fear of execution reduce crimes by deterring would-be culprits? Terrorists won’t be deterred, of course; they would call it martyrdom. But potential rapists and violent killers? Not so sure. Islamic countries under Sharia are said to have low crime rates.

    All my life a solid majority of Brits have favoured capital punishment, and ditto for a majority of MPs being agin it. No-one ever discusses this anomaly.

    The death penalty should be reserved for evil political leaders. Criminals can be jailed, put to work. It is part of life. Jail should not be used for jaywalking, spitting and other minor crimes.

    There are plenty that the emotional side of me would happily see hang from a rope but having said that my issue would be who's in charge of that rope? Having seen the abuse of power and flagrant dis regard for peoples rights and justice at the moment I would not be handing over to them a rope. Once hung it can not be undone. Question also is who is pushing this new narrative? Will they hang all the government branded conspiracy theorist? UTOPIA here we come.

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    Many Britons may favour the death penalty, but have we turned too snowflakey, feminised, and effete for it ever to return?
    02 VII 2021.

    If you are a democrat (believer in Democracy) then you give the people referendums about ALL major issues. You can be selective. If you are then that's the big problem - I know better than you, the typical politicans quote. The politicians are the ones who are responsible for the mess everywhere.

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    Saudi Arabia executions – paralysis, eye gouging and crucifixion among the medieval punishments faced by kids as young as 14

    Saudi Arabia continues to use barbaric methods of execution claiming they are justified by the Quran and its traditions

    THE oppressive kingdom of Saudi Arabia has some of the most barbaric and bizarre punishments in the world.
    Public beheadings, amputations, eye for an eye retribution and crucifixion all form part of the ruthless and medieval justice system.

    A public execution by beheading in Saudi Arabia. The kingdom executed 37 men in one day in April, 2019.

    On Monday, a horrific mass execution was carried out by the savage regime involving 37 men being killed including one being crucified and another having his head impaled on a spike. Those killed during the beheading bloodbath had all been convicted of "terrorism offences" in the hardline kingdom. However, one of those beheaded. Abdulkareem al-Hawaj, was arrested while attending an anti-government protest when he was aged just 16. He was convicted of being a "terrorist" in a trial branded a "farce" by Amnesty International.

    This week's executions brings the number of people killed by the ruthless regime since the start of 2019 to around 100, according to official announcements. Saudi has the third highest rate of executions in the world behind China and Iran, according to Amnesty. Last year, the kingdom executed 149 people, most of them drug smugglers convicted of non-violent crimes, according to Amnesty's most recent figures. In 2017, the kingdom year carried out 146 executions while in 2016 the country killed 47 men in one single day in a horrific mass murder.


    Crown Prince Salman wants to make the desert kingdom a tech savvy 21st century nation and has introduced liberal reforms. Yet for all his ambitions, the country still has the trappings of one caught in a altogether different era, particularly when it comes to its justice system. Saudi Arabia retains the death penalty for a large number of offences including drug trafficking and “sorcery” as well as murder. The majority of death sentences are carried out in public by beheading, drawing comparisons with the shocking brutality of the Islamic State. The system is based on Shariah law, which the Saudis say is rooted in Islamic tradition and the Quran.


    While they insist trials are conducted to the strictest standards of fairness, evidence has emerged from the country to suggest the opposite. Trials are reported to have lasted a day and confessions extracted under torture. The country has no written penal code and no code of criminal procedure and judicial procedure. That allows courts wide powers to determine what constitutes a criminal offence and what sentences crimes deserve. The only means of appeal is directly to the King, who decides whether the condemned lives or dies. The list of punishments makes for grim reading.

    The bodies of five Yemeni men beheaded in Saudi Arabia are left hanging after their heads were re-attached


    In the first four months of 2018 alone it has carried out 86 beheadings, half of them for non-violent crimes such as drugs offences. The surge in executions since last year saw at least 27 people executed in July alone, say
    Amnesty International. Beheading remains the most common form of execution and the sentence traditionally carried out in a public square on a Friday after prayers. Deera Square in the centre of the capital Riyadh is known locally as "Chop Chop Square”. The work maybe grim but country’s chief executioner appeared to take pride in his work. After visiting the victim’s family to see if they want to forgive the prisoner, they are then taken for beheading. "When they get to the execution square, their strength drains away,” the BBC reported Muhammad Saad al-Beshi as saying. “Then I read the execution order, and at a signal I cut the prisoner's head off.”.

    A recent surge in rate of executions led to ads place for an eight executioners on the civil service jobs website. A downloadable PDF application form for jobs said they fell under the term "religious functionaries" and would be at the lower end of the civil service pay scale.


    In Saudi Arabia, the practice of “crucifixion” refers to the court-ordered public display of the body after execution, along with the separated head if beheaded. In one case pictures on social media appearing to show five decapitated bodies hanging from a horizontal pole with their heads wrapped in bags. The beheading and “crucifixion” took place in front of the University of Jizan where students were taking exams takes place in a public square to act as a deterrent.


    The ability of courts to decide for themselves sentences that fit the crime has led to sentences of “qisas” or retribution. The most high profile example was that of Ali al-Khawahir, who was 14 when he stabbed a friend in the backbone, leaving him "completely paralysed" from the waist down. Ten years later was sentenced to be paralysed from the waist down unless he paid a million Saudi riyals to the victim. At the time Amnesty International said the sentence was “utterly shocking” even for Saudi Arabia. However, Mr al-Khawahir was not paralysed after his family agreed to pay his victim the one million royals ($270,000) in compensation. In such cases, the victim can demand the punishment be carried out, request financial compensation or grant a conditional or unconditional pardon.


    Stoning remains a punishment for adultery for women in Saudi Arabia. According to one witness, the accused are put into holes and then have rocks tipped on them from a truck. In 2015 a married 45-year-old woman, originally from Sri Lanka, who was working as a maid in Riyadh, was sentenced to death by stoning. Her partner, who was single and also from Sri Lanka, was given a punishment of 100 lashes after being found guilty of the same offence.


    Abd ul-Latif Noushad, an Indian citizen, was sentenced to have his right eye gouged out in retribution for his role in a brawl in which a Saudi citizen was injured. He worked at a petrol station and got into an altercation about a jump lead a customer wanted a refund for and in the ensuing struggle struck the other man on the head, hitting his eye. A court of appeal in Riyadh has reportedly merely asked whether the Saudi man would accept monetary compensation instead, according to Human Rights Watch. On September 16, 2004, the Saudi newspaper Okaz reported that a court in Tabuk ordered the right eye of Muhammad `Ayid Sulaiman al-Fadili al-Balawi to be gouged out. The court gave him the option of paying compensation within one year and it was reported he had raised the 1.4 million riyals required. Another Saudi newspaper, ArabNews, reported on December 6 that a court had recently sentenced an Egyptian man in to having his eye gouged. He was accused of throwing acid in the face of another man, who subsequently lost his eyesight.

    A kneeling man is beheaded in Jeddah, next to the headless corpse of another who had just suffered the same fate.

    Amputation of limbs is another of the horrific punishments in the country.


    Those convicted of insulting Islam can also expect to be flogged.In a case that has brought international condemnation, blogger Raif Badawi was sentenced to 1000 lashes as well as 10 years behind bars. Video shows a crowd cheering as the first 50 lashes of his sentence was carried out, an ordeal which his wife Ensaf Haidar, who says nearly killed him. In 2017, a man was sentenced ten years in prison and 2,000 lashes for expressing his atheism on Twitter. The 28-year-old reportedly refused to repent, insisting what he wrote reflected his beliefs and that he had the right to express them.


    Amputation is a punishment for theft, with the person convicted having their right hand removed. The crime of “highway robbery” punished by cross amputation which involves the removal of the right hand and left foot. In 2011, six Bedouin tribesmen aged between 22 and 29 were sentenced to "cross amputation" for their part in robbery.

    Saudi executioner Muhammad Saad al-Beshi.

    Saudi Arabia executions - paralysis, eye gouging and ... 03 VIII 2021.

    Barbaric. And the world ignores all this.

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    Many executed individuals in the US have been repeat criminals, like 85% of them, due to previous heinous crimes. Other countries in Asia put drug runners and dealers to death to control their rising violence and social problems using drugs. Unlike the US, we blame whites for racism. If we executed drug dealers, many will be nonwhite so it becomes an endless battle of blaming whites for their outcomes. There are white drug dealers too, but there is a large disproportionate number of nonwhite smugglers of illegal drugs, and defense attorneys will cry about "profiling" and "biased" arrests. We only bring in more social problems and unproductive people.

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    Yes, well I kind of have to be with my username.

    Ryan Faulk made a persuasive video some years ago that regular executions of undesirables in the Middle Ages had a eugenic effect in England leading up to the 1700s, increasing average intelligence for one thing.

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    Japan executes three on death row, first since 2019

    Japan executes three on death row, first since 2019

    Japan has carried out its first executions in two years, with the government saying it was necessary to maintain capital punishment in the face of continued "atrocious crimes".

    Japan is one of the few developed countries to keep the death penalty and public support for capital punishment remains high despite international criticism, especially from rights groups. More than 100 people are currently on death row, most of them for cases of mass murder. Executions are carried out by hanging, usually long after sentencing. One of the three executed was Yasutaka Fujishiro, 65, who used a hammer and knife to kill his 80-year-old aunt, two cousins and four others in 2004, a justice ministry spokeswoman told AFP. The other two were 54-year-old Tomoaki Takanezawa, who killed two employees at an arcade game premises in 2003, and his accomplice Mitsunori Onogawa, 44.

    The executions were the first under Prime Minister Fumio Kishida, who took office in October. "Whether to keep the death sentence or not is an important issue that concerns the foundation of Japan's criminal justice system," deputy chief cabinet secretary Seiji Kihara said. "Given that atrocious crimes keep occurring one after another, it is necessary to execute those whose guilt is extremely grave, so it is inappropriate to abolish capital punishment."

    Japan executed three death-row inmates in 2019 and 15 in 2018 - including 13 from the Aum Shinrikyo cult that carried out a fatal 1995 sarin gas attack on the Tokyo subway.

    For decades, authorities have told death row inmates just hours before an execution is carried out.

    Two prisoners are suing the government over the system, which they argue is illegal and causes psychological distress. The pair are also seeking compensation of 22 million yen ($194,000) for the distress caused by living with uncertainty about their execution date.

    Documents and news archives show that Japan used to give death row inmates more notice, but stopped around 1975.

    In December 2020, Japan's top court overturned a ruling blocking the retrial of a man described as the world's longest-serving death row prisoner, raising new hope for the now 85-year-old. Iwao Hakamada has lived under a death sentence for more than half a century after being convicted in 1968 of robbing and murdering his boss, the man's wife, and their two teenage children. But he and his supporters say he confessed to the crime only after an allegedly brutal police interrogation that included beatings, and that evidence in the case was planted.

    Worldwide, at least 483 people were executed last year in 18 countries, according to rights watchdog Amnesty International. That represents a drop of around a quarter from the year before, and fits a downward trend since 2015. The figure does not, however, include the "thousands" of executions believed to have been carried out in China, which keeps such data secret, along with North Korea and Vietnam.

    Japan and the United States are the only members of the G7 group of developed countries that still use the death penalty.

    Japan executes three on death row, first since 2019 21 XII 2021.

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