View Poll Results: Are you in favour of capital punishment?

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  • No it is immoral

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Thread: Are You in Favour of the Death Penalty/Capital Punishment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by osiris View Post
    I'm not necessarily against CP, but I think supporting it goes against several conservative tenets. If people don't trust the government, why would they want to trust it with the God-like power of life and death? What greater example to hold up and say "We have ultimate power over you"? BTW, it is estimated that about 15% of people on death row are likely innocent. DNA evidence has exonerated hundreds of people. Even eyewitness accounts are notoriously inaccurate, and the poor have less access to competent legal support, so the wealthy are more likely to be freed.
    Also, for those espousing Christian ideals, the Bible makes it quite clear, "Vengeance is mine, saith the Lord" and "Thou shalt not kill" (no exceptions noted). We kill people to show that killing people is wrong? I just don't know. Maybe bringing back banishment should be an option.
    I think you are confusing Conservatism with Liberalism here, which is understandable since American Conservatism and American society is based upon Lockean ideas. That heritage is shared by few European nations, apart from France. Capital punishment is a part of our heritage and of our civilization's history.

    Capital punishment and Christianity has managed to coexist for a long time, I fail to see why we would need to question this arrangement under current circumstances when society has become more or less entirely secularized. Now when Christianity has close to no relevance for us we are suddenly supposed to reevaluate the justifications for a certain policy (the death penalty) according to modern interpretations made by atheists about what Christianity proscribes and forbidds? I have to question that logic. There is no need to complicate things that were not complicated in the past. The prejudices of old still stand one could put it bluntly.

    The traditional understanding is not that killing is forbidden under any and all circumstances. War, self-defence and the administration of justice all render the killing of human beings morally acceptable. Again, questioning the traditional morals and understandings about justice on the basis of liberal or modern interpretations of traditional value systems such as Christianity makes little sense. The prejudices of old still stand.

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    Some people are so utterly wretched that their existence dishonours their family, their community, their nation, and indeed all of humanity. These people, such as the child rapist mentioned several posts ago, must be destroyed. That they live is a mistake, which must be corrected. The very existence of a child rapist is an injustice.

    I would, however, as the poster Dirigible said, be hesitant to apply capital punishment to cases of rape, at least in the modern context, as I have heard far too many stories of women falsely accusing men of rape. On the other hand, perhaps the knowledge that he would be killed would dissuade false accusations. I may, however, be over-estimating the sense of justice of the average plebeian.
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    I think the death penalty is appropriate for some crimes such as premeditated murder, and some sex crimes such as gang rape or sexual assaults on children.
    Absolutely!

    But not 'just' for 'murder'... aaah, let me explain, I've always thought that there was 'murder' and then there was 'murder'...

    let me explain with two examples; Tony Martin, a reclusive farmer who had his home broken into several times by the same gang of gypsies caught some of them red handed breaking into his home, he shot two of them, killing one and maiming another, he was sent down for MURDER yet it was reduced to manslaughter... this is a guy defending his home.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Martin_(farmer)

    Now I don't own a gun, but if I did live out in the wilds and someone broke into MY HOUSE too right I'd have one and would I hesitate to kill someone that could rape my wife, kill me and my family? HELL NO! Sorry but a LOT of people in the UK, myself included, thought that he deserved a bloody medal for what he did!

    yet this case isn't that isolated, another guy had his house broken into and they got the guy that did it, beat him up and called the cops... guess who got the harsher sentence???

    I have a friend that was burgled and he ran after the guy with a golf club yet when he called the police he was told by the police that if he'd hit the guy, he'd (my friend) would be in MORE trouble!

    Insane!

    Yet there is the other end of the scale...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_P

    UK readers will know only too well about the suffering of poor Baby P.

    This about summarises it up...

    baby P was an English 17-month old boy who died in London after suffering more than 50 injuries over an eight-month period

    This was done by his MOTHER and her partner and his brother! Her partner was also convicted of raping a TWO YEAR OLD GIRL.



    Yet no matter how much I hate these people and despise their wicked crimes, it's the damned liberal lawyers that get these bastards off every time that get to me... I don't care what job you do, as I've said before you all do your bit, whether you're a bin man or brain surgeon, there must be some sense of pride in knowing you're doing a service to society, yet letting child rapists and murderers out into the public to kill more kids... wow... that's a real bonus to society... how they sleep at night I will never understand1
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    I just can't abide it, I've seen images of how it is in Iran and such (yes, I absolutely know that it's not like that everywhere where it is practised) but I just cannot bring myself to agree with it whatsoever.

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    absolutely I am.

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    YES. For crimes such as murder (and all variations of murder the exception being self defence) and gang rape. Provided the evidence is definite, and it often is lawyers just play with the story.

    In the 1980's we had a bloke by the name of Julian Knight shoot several people one day in the city of Melbourne, to this day he is alllowed to write letters to his victims families, study, and protest his case and push for early parole, to me this is sickening, in my opinion when the Police arrested him he should have been hanged the next day.
    I grew up on a belief of honour, courage and the old world values. The world isn't about that anymore, preferring to die a slow death of fast food and cheap thrills.

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    I didn't know there was a thread on this subject so I'm just going to copy/paste my thoughts on this from another thread:



    "I think capital punishment is a waste of time and resources.

    I am a huge believer that irrecoverable felons who have committed atrocities (or felons who have multiple violent felonies) should be used for clinical experimentation and human vivisection for clinical/medical research instead of being locked up for life or put down.

    I'm not talking about a harsher form of punishment, or people in need of punishment. I'm talking about recycling garbage for the greater good. Since their bodies basically become a state commodity anyway, they could be used for the advancement of science in the medical field. People who would do damage to a society if they were to be let loose, would be used in benefit of those they would do harm against.

    For instance as a small example. Plant a tumor on a convicted rapist, administer experimental drugs and/or therapies, study the effects, collect and analyze the data and apply it to treatments for cancer patients.

    That would mean money and resources well spent.

    i know this would never come to be in today's society thanks to moral fags, but it's good to dream sometimes. "

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    I am for the revenge-'law'.

    You rape my daughter/wife/sister/cousin/friend etc. I kill a whole bunch of your family and friends.

    simple as that it would stop the nonsense in no time.

    Courts and Justices revert to judicial activism which means it is anti-white. You will never get justice in court so you better take care of it yourself.

    In that case you won't need capital punishment dealt out by court.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBlackCross View Post
    I didn't know there was a thread on this subject so I'm just going to copy/paste my thoughts on this from another thread:



    "I think capital punishment is a waste of time and resources.

    I am a huge believer that irrecoverable felons who have committed atrocities (or felons who have multiple violent felonies) should be used for clinical experimentation and human vivisection for clinical/medical research instead of being locked up for life or put down.

    I'm not talking about a harsher form of punishment, or people in need of punishment. I'm talking about recycling garbage for the greater good. Since their bodies basically become a state commodity anyway, they could be used for the advancement of science in the medical field. People who would do damage to a society if they were to be let loose, would be used in benefit of those they would do harm against.

    For instance as a small example. Plant a tumor on a convicted rapist, administer experimental drugs and/or therapies, study the effects, collect and analyze the data and apply it to treatments for cancer patients.

    That would mean money and resources well spent.

    i know this would never come to be in today's society thanks to moral fags, but it's good to dream sometimes. "
    Tell me about it, fruity humanists indeed. This idea certainly sounds more humane and nicer than performing these kinds of experiments on innocent and cute bunny rabbits, dogs and other animals. What about that part of the arguement over this issue. Saving money on medical research by having experimentation as an available captial punishment sounds like a great idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragnar Lodbrok View Post
    Tell me about it, fruity humanists indeed. This idea certainly sounds more humane and nicer than performing these kinds of experiments on innocent and cute bunny rabbits, dogs and other animals. What about that part of the arguement over this issue. Saving money on medical research by having experimentation as an available captial punishment sounds like a great idea.
    In the medical field, Nazi Germany accomplished in 6 years what usually takes us 20 because of human experimentation.

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