View Poll Results: Are you in favour of capital punishment?

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  • Yes and it should be used often

    101 42.62%
  • Yes, but it should be sparingly

    83 35.02%
  • No it is immoral

    14 5.91%
  • No because miscarriages of justice are inevitable

    29 12.24%
  • Other (please elaborate)

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Thread: Are You in Favour of the Death Penalty/Capital Punishment?

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    i agree that in theory no one should have power over life and death (lol well life obviously or else we wouldnt be born) but it is my opinion that the death penalty would never have had to exist if it wasnt for people murdering in the first place etc. it is for that reason that i believe the person/people administering the dp are not murderers because they did not set out in the first place to kill, unlike the criminal whose point was to kill (in the case of a sk atleast) and so it is still the criminal at fault and the ppl administering the injection/whatever have not ''stooped to his/her level'' as some people have equated it with in the past.

    of course it would be nicer if horrible crimes didnt happen anyway!

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    Murder is homicide, but homicide isn't always murder. The death penalty is legal homicide. Murder is an illegal homicide. Murder is sometimes premeditated, sometimes not. The dealth penalty is always premeditated. The only thing that separates murder and the death penalty, in my mind, is the law of the land. The law of the country in which I reside doesn't determine my morality.

    I just don't see any significant difference.

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    To stem the tide of perversion, it is important to execute the perverse. Or look at Bharat, which didn't have death penalty, of course until it was treason and the person himself/herself agreed to that.

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    I eventually voted "No". And I see that I am only the second to go for that option. But this does not bother me.

    If I had any say, I would have all violators perpetrating serious crimes be sterilized. They should not have any offspring to perpetuate defective genes. And even perhaps life jail sentences in addition. But not the death penalty.

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    I can't believe someone thinks that the death penalty is appropriate for property crimes and illegal immigration...

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    What kind of idiot voted for the death penalty for 'anti-nationalist' speech and 'crimes against the state'? So much for the Western tradition of freedom of thought and speech.

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    I voted for crimes against the State but not for Anti-Nationalist/Racialist speech. Obviously it depends what State, in a Racialist State crimes against the State require the Death Penalty, and that is why I voted in such a way.

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    So far it's only me & Loki who voted No. Interesting.

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    I might still rethink my position, but for now I am in favour of Capital Punishment for the crimes I voted. The judicial system will make errors and innocent people will die, so that is the only negative point I have towards such a Punishment, yet I do not value the life of real criminals guilty of severe crimes and as such I voted yes.

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    I voted for the Death Penalty for Murder and Severe Crimes against the State and Security. Those are the most clear-cut cases, in which the Death Penalty is justified.

    Someone that commits a premedidated murder expresses the general will that it shall be permitted to kill human beings. By taking his own will and projecting it back onto himself, we respect him as a responsible human being, as a legislator.

    If the state guarantees justice, protects the freedom, and respects the honor of its citizens, crimes such as High Treason (i. e. the change of the constitution by means of force) endanger the historic and collective wisdom preserved in the constitution - wisdom that extends far beyond the comprehension of the average incited revolutionary -, and, if succesful, typically lead to the slaughter of thousands, and to injustice and suffering for most (compare the effects of most so-called revolutions). It is imperative that the liberties, the Bill of Rights, and a fair justice system are protected with the outmost means against forceful changes by authoritarian or totalitarian half-wits, that have learned little from history and the collective suffering of people in such systems.

    Crimes such as Treason (e. g. the selling of military or nuclear secrets to enemies of the state), too, endanger the security and lives of so many people that the death penalty is justified.

    The same goes for Organized Crime Syndicates, which typically not only continually commit an avalanche of serious crimes, but by their power, money and influence corrupt society like a cancer, threaten the ordinary, fair and objective functioning of the institutions by blackmail and bribery, seduce many to criminal activities, and discourage honest and productive labor.

    I also can imagine the Death Penalty for severe, continued cases of animal torture and neglect, and for premeditated severe Bodily Harm that leave the victim as a cripple or vegetable.

    I also voted for the Death Penalty for Rape and Pedophilia, although I would rather consider it only if the crime, circumstances and damage done are severe, or for repeated offenses. Perpetrators of such crimes are often not or only limited in control, and almost all of them relapse and commit further offenses. Underlying reasons are of biological, hormonal and medical nature, and corresponding treatment and therapies should be considered.

    A last word: Not the death penalty (everyone dies), but the depriviation of freedom belongs to the most ineffective and inhumane forms of punishment, and in a homogenous Germanic society that is based on sane values, honor and responsibility, we can probably do without it — or nearly so. For less serious crimes alternative punishments such as monetary fines/compensation, house arrest, community service, &c. can be considered.

    There are a number of procedural reforms I would introduce, too, such as basing trials as much (or more) on the personal honor of the accused than on abstract evidence, significant changes in the system of lawyers and state prosecution, a reduction of the influence of Roman Law and a stronger emphasis on German common Law, the right of the victim (or its family) to prosecute and forgive crimes and to suspend sentences, &c. — Maybe I'll make this a topic, when I have time.

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    - Thorburn
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