View Poll Results: Which would you prefer as a lesser evil option in a multiethnic and/or multiracial society?

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  • (True) multiculturalism, aka multiple, separate cultures sharing the same space and retaining their ancestral heritage.

    33 75.00%
  • Assimilation/integration of immigrants, aka "when in Rome, do as the Romans do". Immigrants would for example, need to learn the language of the country they are in, adopt its dress code and adapt to its culture.

    11 25.00%
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Thread: Assimilation/Integration vs. Separation - Which Model Would Best Serve a Multiethnic or Multiracial Society?

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    Multiculturalism is often a tendentious misnomer denoting melting-potism. It might be different elsewhere, but in Scandinavia it is used by those self-loathing leftists, who insist that the Scandinavian culture doesn't exist and/or is boring, and that we all benefit so much from having the entire world around. In their discourse, multiculturalism is not the opposite of assimilation, and noone else uses the word in any positive sense.

    To make it more clear, the choice could be between ethnopluralism and assimilation, they are rather opposite concepts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CharlesDexterWard
    It might be different elsewhere, but in Scandinavia it is used by those self-loathing leftists, who insist that the Scandinavian culture doesn't exist and/or is boring, and that we all benefit so much from having the entire world around.
    This discussion is a perfect example; it is taking place between two so-called self-loathing leftists, one Swede and one Greek (not me ):

    Swede:

    "Jag tror att det är lite det som gör många svenskar så avundsjuka på invandrargrupper. Ni har en kultur, en identitet, en historia, någonting som binder ihop er. Och vad har vi? Vi har midsommarafton och sådana töntiga saker"

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    "Jaså, är svenskar avundsjuka på turkarnas historia??? Man tar sig för pannan...

    Om sånt vore fallet så borde svenskar åtminstone dyrka oss greker för vår rika historia (Om inte betala nån slags skat till Grekland :-DDD....)"

    Could you translate, btw? I can understand the general meaning but cannot translate myself :p

    (sorry for the off-topic :o)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blood Axis View Post
    Swede:
    "Jag tror att det är lite det som gör många svenskar så avundsjuka på invandrargrupper. Ni har en kultur, en identitet, en historia, någonting som binder ihop er. Och vad har vi? Vi har midsommarafton och sådana töntiga saker"

    Greek:
    "Jaså, är svenskar avundsjuka på turkarnas historia??? Man tar sig för pannan...

    Om sånt vore fallet så borde svenskar åtminstone dyrka oss greker för vår rika historia (Om inte betala nån slags skat till Grekland :-DDD....)"

    Could you translate, btw? I can understand the general meaning but cannot translate myself :p
    The "Swede" there must be Mona Sahlin (see attachments). That's her creed, I've heard her say it many times:
    I think that's a little something that makes many Swedes so jealous of immigrant groups. You have a culture, an identity, a history, something that makes you stick together. And what do we have? We have Midsummer's Eve and dorky things like that.

    I don't know who the Greek is, but here goes:
    So, Swedes are jealous of the history of the Turks?

    If so, then Swedes should worship us Greeks for our rich history (even pay some kind of tax to Greece :-DDD....)


    ^Pretty funny guy eyes: makes more sense than Mona Sahlin 0000:
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    Difficult question, I go for neither.

    Assimilation goes against cultural preservation, it also helps undesirable elements get mingled in the culture and blood of certain people.

    Multi-Culturalism, leads to a rapid mutation and shift of high, natural culture for slum, degenerate and synthetic culture.

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    I would say assimilation in the case of a small number of fellow Europeans (sorry Poles), but of course I'd say multiculturalism with non-whites. I suppose a society could be "multicultural" in the vain of the pre-1960s South without too much problem. Deportation is always the best option though.

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    With assimilation there's a greater chance of intermarriage. If the different cultures remain separate and don't disappear in favor of a dominant culture, then there's hope for the bloodline that goes with each culture.
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    The question is pretty tricky. There is no win win situation. But than again does it really matter what we prefer? I believe the almost certain course here in America is initial Multiculturalism followed by a slow assimilation. When diverse groups of people live in the same Geographic area Assimilation is inevitable. Though it will be slower for some groups than others.

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    Multiculturalism. But not the Sense Multiculturalism has Today. Multiculturalism in the Sense of having multiple Cultures living Side by Side and respecting each other's Rights. This happened in Transylvania for Centuries and it is the Reason why the Ethnic Minorities like Saxons and Hungarians have preserved themselves. Assimilation is the Number 1 Enemy of Preservation. Immigrants who assimilate in the Country they immigrate to will not become fully culturally assimilated. As Someone once said to me, if you add some Milk in your Coffee the result will be neither Coffee nor Milk but a Mixture. The Milk will affect the Taste of the Coffee and the Coffee will affect the Taste of the Milk.

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    Assimilation or integration. We currently offer Muslims privileges: we build them Mosques, we let them wear Burquas, we put them signs in Turkish language... some even want Sharia and they get sympathisers. No to that. We should demand full integration or nothing. That will reduce the foreigner rates and discourage new ones from immigrating here.

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    Oh, I guess I should have read the original post because I voted assimilation when I didn't mean to :p:o

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