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    Post Genetic Composition of the Norwegian Population

    The genetic composition of the Norwegian population was investigated by analysing polymorphisms associated with both the mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) and Y chromosome loci in a sample of 74 Norwegian males.

    The combination of their uniparental mode of inheritance and the absence of
    recombination make these haplotypic stretches of DNA the tools of choice in evaluating the different components of a population’s gene pool.

    The sequencing of the Dloop and two diagnostic RFLPs (AluI 7025 and HinfI at 12 308) allowed us to classify the mtDNA molecules in 10 previously described groups. As for the Y chromosome the combination of binary markers and microsatellites allowed us to compare our results to those obtained elsewhere in Europe.

    Both mtDNA and Y chromosome polymorphisms showed a noticeable genetic affinity between Norwegians and central Europeans, especially Germans.

    When the phylogeographic analysis of the Y chromosome haplotypes was attempted some interesting clues on the peopling of Norway emerged.

    Although Y chromosome binary and microsatellite data indicate that 80% of the haplotypes are closely related to Central and western Europeans, the remainder share a unique binary marker (M17) common in eastern Europeans with informative microsatellite haplotypes suggesting a different demographic history.

    Other minor genetic influences on the Norwegian population from Uralic speakers and Mediterranean populations were also highlighted. European Journal of Human Genetics (2002) 10, 521 – 529.

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    Post Re: Norwegian mtDNA and Y chromosome

    Quote Originally Posted by Euclides
    . Both mtDNA and Y chromosome polymorphisms showed a noticeable genetic affinity between Norwegians and central Europeans, especially Germans. When the phylogeographic analysis of the Y chromosome haplotypes was attempted some interesting
    clues on the peopling of Norway emerged. Although Y chromosome binary and microsatellite data indicate that 80% of the haplotypes are closely related to Central and western Europeans, the remainder share a unique binary marker (M17) common in eastern Europeans with informative microsatellite haplotypes suggesting a different demographic history. Other minor genetic influences on the Norwegian population from Uralic speakers and Mediterranean populations were also highlighted.

    European Journal of Human Genetics (2002) 10, 521 – 529. doi:10.1038/sj.ejhg.5200834

    ---about Y chr of Norwegians this study says :

    ``a close affinity of Norwegians with Germans and other Central European populations (Czechs and Croatians)``

    ``at least from the male perspective, the genetic pool of the Norwegians is mainly composed of genes that were present in Europe as early as the Palaeo-lithic.``

    ``In addition our observation of TAT/M178 lineages at 7% corroborates previous observations, which have been interpreted as a signature of Uralic Finnno-Ugric speaking males migrating to northern Scandinavia and Finland about 5000 years ago. The presence of Eu14 in Norway suggests that some admixture between Norwegians and the Finno-Ugric Uralic speakers of Scandinavia (Saami, Finns) Saami ``


    --- some norwegians came from UP male post glacial recolonization who has his origins in actual Ukrania.The UP light pigmented type Borreby-Vástmanlandtyp is probably related . The Borreby/west baltic type is also founded amog czechs ( I don't know about Croatia )

    ---And after came the Kurgans/battle-Axe Corded ( gracilized Nordics / scando Nordics ? )


    ``In addition, based on the differ-entiation of haplogroup V in Scandinavia, it also seems that groups coming from the northern Spain refuge entered Norway.

    Should this be true, it is likely that M173 Y chromosomes (EU18) also entered Norway during the late glacial.``

    --- Is it means Tydal type ( Berid Race / Paleo-atlantids ) entering Scandinavia ? I am thinking that Berid Race has origins in North Spaniards cromagnons,who are related to ancient Berbers.This Berid type after migrated from Iberian peninsule to Ireland ( pre-celtic population , like the pics ) ; and to scandinavia ( Tydal type ).The basques are their descents .


    ----about mtDNA of Norwegians this study shows a Near-eastern and sub-saharan presence :

    ``The most frequent haplogroup was H, followed by haplogroup U. As previously reported for Northern Europeans most of the samples displaying haplogroup U fell in the U5 subgroup. Surprisingly high was the frequency of
    haplogroup J, considering its Mid East origin. 19,38,39``

    ``One mtDNA molecule displayed an L2 haplotype, that is typically African, but is also sporadically found in Southern Europe and is likely to be a result of more recent gene flow. 13 Perez-Lezaun A, Calafell F, Comas D et al: Sex-specific migration patterns in Central Asian populations, revealed by analysis of Y-chromosome short tandem repeats and mtDNA. Am J Hum Genet 1999;65: 208 – 219.``
    Last edited by Euclides; Sunday, May 9th, 2004 at 02:56 AM.

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    Post Re: Norwegian mtDNA and Y chromosome

    Quote Originally Posted by Euclides
    Both mtDNA and Y chromosome polymorphisms
    showed a noticeable genetic affinity between Norwegians and central Europeans, especially Germans.
    No surprise there - they both are Germanic.

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    Post Re: Norwegian mtDNA and Y chromosome

    Quote Originally Posted by Euclides
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    ``In addition, based on the differ-entiation
    of haplogroup V in Scandinavia, it also seems that groups coming from the northern Spain refuge entered Norway.

    Should this be true, it is likely that M173 Y
    chromosomes (EU18) also entered Norway during the late
    glacial.``

    --- Is it means Tydal type ( Berid Race / Paleo-atlantids ) entering Scandinavia ? I am thinking that Berid Race has origins in North Spaniards cromagnons,who are related to ancient Berbers.This Berid type after migrated from Iberian peninsule to Ireland ( pre-celtic population , like the pics ) ; and to scandinavia ( Tydal type ).The basques are their descents .
    This was very surprising in my amateur research. Found the same thing in the YSTR.org database recently. The question is "are these people with the same genetic signature in Basque country; Dal, Sweden; Croatia; Western France; apparently Northern Ireland now; and Norway the same people or related in some way" Did the ancient Berbers seed these groups?

    I probably didn't state this correctly but perhaps you get my "drift". I am a real neophyte to this all.

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    Post Re: Norwegian mtDNA and Y chromosome

    Quote Originally Posted by Loki
    No surprise there - they both are Germanic.
    Yup. This is the part of the sentence you forgot to paste:

    "and other Central European populations (Czechs and Croatians)"
    "slavic" languages are absolutely arteficial (Read "slawenlegende"). The "glagolica", invented by a bunch of monks, is nothing but an ancient esperanto, creating new words, definitions and alphabet out of regional slangs.

    The craddle of European Civilization comes from the North. All blond people originate from the north. So if you see a blond-blue eyed Slovene, Russian, Czech, Polak ect., you can be 100% sure that his ancient ancestors originated from "Germanics" (Germanic = Nordic).
    "slovenja" was the settelment of the Langobards = Germanics/Teutons. "Poland" of the Goths and East-Vandals ect. ect. What do "slavs" tell us about their origin?
    Some silly story that they originate from some swamps in the east and popped out of no where into history.

    So you see my dear "Gorostan" [=Triglav], you are in reality a "Germanic" indoctrinated with panslav propaganda and historic fantasy stories. ~Dr. Brandt, former TNP and Skadi member

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    Post Re: Norwegian mtDNA and Y chromosome

    Quote Originally Posted by Triglav
    Yup. This is the part of the sentence you forgot to paste:

    "and other Central European populations (Czechs and Croatians)"
    We all knew already that Croats are Germanic. As for the Czechs... now there is the surprise.

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    Post Re: Norwegian mtDNA and Y chromosome

    This is probably the relation between UP types found in the mentioned areas, right?

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    Post Re: Norwegian mtDNA and Y chromosome

    Quote Originally Posted by AWAR
    This is probably the relation between UP types found in the mentioned areas, right?
    I doubt it.

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    Post Re: Norwegian mtDNA and Y chromosome

    Quote Originally Posted by Loki
    I doubt it.
    Can you expand on that a little please?

    They all seem to have strikingly similiar haplotypes in those areas according to current YSTR.org data.

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    Post Re: Norwegian mtDNA and Y chromosome

    Quote Originally Posted by RusViking
    Can you expand on that a little please?

    They all seem to have strikingly similiar haplotypes in those areas according to current YSTR.org data.
    Yes, but to suggest that the majority of Norwegians/Germans' DNA is derived from the pre-historic Upper Paleolithic people is ludicrous. What I am saying is that this similarity is more likely of post-Upper Paleolithic origin.

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