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    Quote Originally Posted by Rassenpapst View Post
    Or do you think that warnings about the "Islamic threat to liberalism" is a good strategy to advertise the anti-immigration political platform to anti-nationalist liberals?
    I agree with this option. I consider the threat of Islam to be greater than the threat of liberalism. In a democratic state nationalists can work to exert their influence and ideas, even if the dominant group is made of up liberals. But in a Islam-majority country Muslims violently extinguish opposition, and if Islam does take hold in Europe then I believe there will be no going back.

    Perhaps the best way of convincing a liberal that mass immigration from the third world is a bad thing is to show him that his way of life is under threat.

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    I think it is very important to distinguish here between authentic classical liberalism ŕ la John Locke, Adam Smith, Anders Chydenius, Thomas Jefferson etc. and the American usage of the term liberal as a synonym for leftist.

    I heavily disagree with the left but I strongly agree with most principles of classical liberalism.

    Needless to say, islam is against both leftism and classical liberalism.

    Islam is e.g. in favour of the death penalty for homosexual intercourse. This is something that both leftists and classical liberals are obviously totally opposed to. The problem is that the left keeps supporting islam and promoting Muslim immigration while at the same time advocating "gay rights" etc. This is so contradictory that I fail to see how anyone can ignore the cognitive dissonance here. The left is allegedly pro-gay; at the same time, the left is pro-islam, but the Muslims themselves want to kill all homosexuals. How can the leftists pretend to believe that islam is a peaceful religion and that Muslim immigration does not pose a danger to European societies while the Muslims want to kill all homosexuals, atheists, ex-Muslims who convert to Christianity, women who have sex with some other man than their husband, etc. etc. ad nauseam?!

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    Hello. I am a liberal, but a supporter of the classic liberal values. True liberalism is European in origin, not Semitic. It is nothing to be ashamed of.

    Below is a summary of some of the evolutionary and cultural differences between Jews and Europeans according to Kevin MacDonald (2000). Professor MacDonald has written extensively on Judaism from an evoutionary perspective.

    http://www.white-history.com/refuting_rm/2.html#other

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    'classical liberalism' is more well known as 'libertarianism' in the US, 'liberalism' in the term is used in the US could better be described as 'socialism'
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    If by liberal values you mean mediocrity, "open mindedness" towards degeneracy, herd mentality, economic rule and equality then I say no.

    Liberal values tend to impose the moralistic dogma of what is right or wrong. In this case what is "right" is viewed as defending degenerative values and beliefs and standing for the "weak" whilst traditional and healthy values are viewed as being "wrong".
    "For the authentic revolutionary conservative, what really counts is to be faithful not to past forms and institutions, but rather to principles of which such forms and institutions have been particular expressions, adequate for a specific period of time and in a specific geographical area." Julius Evola - Men Among the Ruins

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adalwulf View Post
    Agreed, but at least here in the Netherlands the Zionist element has moved far beyond that. In fact, the most prominent anti-immigration is not only strongly pro-Israel, it has also called for military violence against Iran and has even proposed to add an article to our constitution entrenching our national culture as Christian, humanist and Jewish.
    A laugh and cry matter. Just for reference, what is the name of this organisation?
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    I don't think that we should defend those liberal values if they are not our own but we can temporarily ally with liberals if there's a common enemy like Islamisation. Fight for your own ideals instead.

    I do believe neither in total freedom of economy nor in this tolerating-everything trend but I personally share some values with liberals like freedom of speech for example and therefore will take side with the liberals when the issue requires it like it did when there was the controversy about the Muhammad cartoons...
    Ceterum censeo Iudaeam esse delendam.

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    Any form of liberalism has lead to the gradual corruption of Germanic society. The idea that liberalism is essentially Germanic (which Dagna holds) is utterly absurd and groundless.

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    Liberalism is a path to destruction where individuals don't care about their society but only their greedy selves. In their imaginative world, everything is perfect.

    In my opinion, the Liberals are more of a threat than the Muslims. They're the reason the Muslims are here in the first place. To get rid of the problem, you have to fix the source of the problem.

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