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    Should liberal values be defended?

    The Islamic opposition to liberalism creates a false impression that there is something good in the rotten decadent values of the 21st century West.

    Some people here spend far too much time arguing against socially conservative views. It is irritating.

    Or do you think that warnings about the "Islamic threat to liberalism" is a good strategy to advertise the anti-immigration political platform to anti-nationalist liberals?

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    I'd rather align with liberals than muslims. Most of us aren't 100% conservative and have some points which we are liberal on, whereas Islam is an entirely alien ideology. Also the children of liberals may become one of us, but not the children of muslims except in extremely rare cases.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SwordOfTheVistula View Post
    I'd rather align with liberals than muslims. Most of us aren't 100% conservative and have some points which we are liberal on, whereas Islam is an entirely alien ideology. Also the children of liberals may become one of us, but not the children of muslims except in extremely rare cases.
    It's true what you say but I don't think aligning ourselves with Liberals is at all desirable under any circumstances since their policies have gotten us into the positions we are now.

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    I dont believe either of those viewpoints, liberal ideas or islam, should be defended by anyone who feels ties to their roots and wants to preserve their culture. In my own opinion, I find both of these groups to be working towards creating one universal culture and elimination of anything that would upset that goal. It seems that liberals are trying to eradicate any form of individualism (if that's a word), and create an equal blend of all cultures. a Utopian culture so to speak. Whereas, Muslims seem to desire the creation of a world in which everyone falls in line and have their belief system and practices. Either way, I dislike both of them and would rather die than side with any of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rassenpapst View Post
    Or do you think that warnings about the "Islamic threat to liberalism" is a good strategy to advertise the anti-immigration political platform views to anti-nationalistic liberals?
    It's what happened here in the Netherlands. The anti-immigration movement has been effectively hijacked by liberals and Zionists, who transformed the debate from a broad rethinking of our immigration policies to a narrowly anti-Islamic narrative. I find this trend to be highly destructive, because it narrowly defends the West in precisely those areas where it is decadent (promiscuity, materialism, etc) and turns a blind eye towards the immigrants who aren't Islamic.

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    Over here in the United States it seems that if you say anything antiislam you get in trouble with 'liberals' and only some 'conservatives' and libertarioan types are defending classical liberal values. Freeedom of speech and religion are at the top of the list.

    I do think that the threat to democracy and the legal system that is posed by islam in Europe needs all the attention that can be focused on it. I cannot say it the socialist/dictatorial burocracy is more of a threat in Europe but if enemies can fight each other as well as us that is all to the good.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Adalwulf View Post
    It's what happened here in the Netherlands. The anti-immigration movement has been effectively hijacked by liberals and Zionists, who transformed the debate from a broad rethinking of our immigration policies to a narrowly anti-Islamic narrative. I find this trend to be highly destructive, because it narrowly defends the West in precisely those areas where it is decadent (promiscuity, materialism, etc) and turns a blind eye towards the immigrants who aren't Islamic.
    I agree. Non-Islamic immigrants, especially blacks, consistently side with the Muslims against whites because socialist welfare programs designed to rob "whitey" benefit them also. I have more respect towards Middle Eastern doctors than Negro bums.

    I don't know about "Zionists". Muslim street violence against Jews is common and should certainly be condemned. Such random violence wasn't tolerated even in the Third Reich and it was considered Bolshevist and un-Germanic.

    The politically correct silence about the religion and race of the real "anti-Semites" only leads to further demonization of "Neo-Nazis" and "right-wing" extremists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rassenpapst View Post
    I don't know about "Zionists". Muslim street violence against Jews is common and should certainly be condemned.
    Agreed, but at least here in the Netherlands the Zionist element has moved far beyond that. In fact, the most prominent anti-immigration is not only strongly pro-Israel, it has also called for military violence against Iran and has even proposed to add an article to our constitution entrenching our national culture as Christian, humanist and Jewish.

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    I am an ardent proponent of classical liberal values, i.e. of life, liberty and property. However, this is not what most people mean anymore when they say "liberal". I cannot sympathize with most "liberal" (left-liberal) views at all. They are not as alien as Islam, which I consider to be nothing more than a contemptible Semitic religion, not fit for Europeans of any sort, but the extreme tolerance promulgated and propagated by left-liberal ideologues has been conducive in allowing the disease to infect Europe in the first place. If one means by "liberal" extreme tolerance, egalitarianism, anti-racism, multiculturalism, welfare-statism etc., no, I think such 'values' should be killed off.

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    There's a lot to be said for classical liberalism, which is nothing like we see from liberals today. Classical liberalism does have weaknesses, in that it would have tolerated alien culture entering into western societies, but it would not have silenced opposition and it would have stopped welfare state exploitation and all the minority favouring laws that have been foisted on us.

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