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    well I see it as a very White youth type of music which does have alot of links to the occult world and the old ways, i've never heard of a black BM band or a Black person who listens to BM.

    i thought all this modern stuff was "new metal" which is absolute garbage.

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    Of course, Black metallers hate the fanbase, because Black metallers find fault with almost everything in society.

    Whether a band is a good or bad Black/Death metal band isn't really the point.I think the point is that metal can be a good vehicle for people to connect to their roots. Everyone knows that music is an integral part of culture and is a mark of identity. Not every type of metal has this same type of effect on people, however I don't know of a single Folk metaller at least, who doesn't take pride in his people.

    As for caring about the black metal fans, I don't love majority of them too but that's not because of they're not true Black metallers as me, that's just because they're dumbass annoying kids.

    For me, I consider viking/folk/black metal to be a good way to celebrate my unholy heathen ancestors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneEnglishNorman View Post
    West African tribal music > Blues > Rock and roll / R&B > Hard rock > Heavy metal > Black/Death/Thrash/Progressive/Etc Metal

    Not Germanic
    Actually, I think you'll find blues/rock/jazz are 90% appropriated from European genres. They were played more consistently by blacks, meaning they ALWAYS used the pentatonic and used CONSTANT syncopation, but calling them a black invention is false.

    Further, I think metal -- underground metal especially -- reverses this trend. Less pentatonic, more chromatic and melodic composition. Less singing, and more putting together of awkward riff geometries. And, its spirit is warlike and denying of the individual, which is anti-rock-music.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurtz View Post
    What do you think of this little brainstorming? Does it make sense?
    It does, but the fact of the matter is that Metal is also a juvenille phenomena which shares very little in common with the peculiar genius that fueled German music between the birth of Bach and the death of Brahms, which is probably THE single greatest musical legacy of any country, anywhere. Metal is just a product of a culture currently run by a generation of grown up children, and as family values keep going down the toilet it's going to get worst and worst until there will be nobody left who has even the slightest idea of how to properly run a civilization.

    Quote Originally Posted by OneEnglishNorman View Post
    West African tribal music > Blues > Rock and roll / R&B > Hard rock > Heavy metal > Black/Death/Thrash/Progressive/Etc Metal

    Not Germanic
    Alternatively, you could argue that it became Hard Rock and Heavy Metal only after Europeans got involved, so that it is a European take on an African idiom. The same way many Jazz musicians adopted European harmony and instrumentation and transformed it into something altogether different.
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    I realize this thread hasn't seen a new post in over a year, but I felt that this article from The Metal Crypt entitled Music For White Guys might be relevant.

    p.s.
    On a side note, the author of this article wrote in a separate piece; "There are few causes dearer to my heart than pride of race..."

    He also wrote in this article;

    Quote Originally Posted by Sargon the Terrible
    Let's be honest here. 99% of metal has something to do with white people, specifically European people. Metal originated in England, after all, and is still most popular in Europe. This is not a racial distinction, but a cultural one. Metal lyrics and themes reflect a European point of view, code of honor, and sense of history. Yes, there are a lot of bands right now into the Middle eastern stuff, like Nile, Melechesh, etc. But I will point out that these bands are into the mythology and folklore of those regions, which has been a focus of white European fascination for over a century. There are exceptions to my generalization, but overall it is pretty safe to say that metal is made by people with European heritage, for the same people. Look at metal bands – do you see a lot of black guys in bands? You have South Americans – who are also fascinated by Northern Europe and its heritage – but even the very few bands from Africa are made up of white guys. So let's just admit it – metal is white, and I don't mean that as a taboo, but as a statement of observable fact. Metal is rooted in our culture, that is why it appeals so strongly to us in the first place. So a band with a different perspective is going to have a hard time.
    and;

    Quote Originally Posted by Sargon the Terrible
    Now here I am going to have to go briefly into why rap and metal cannot coexist. Briefly, it is thus: Rap is about Black People, Metal is about White People... Yes, there are white rappers, and yes, there are black guys who play metal, but 99.99999% of the time, the racial/cultural divide holds true. So if you throw in even a little tiny bit of rap or fucking 'hip-hop', then you are not fucking metal, and you can get out of my pool.
    and more pertinent to "modernity";

    Quote Originally Posted by Sargon the Terrible
    ...I think most importantly, metal is about the desire for a different or better world. Some bands do this by singing about fantasy worlds that have never existed, some by immersing themselves in a different time and place that calls out to them, even Doom bands do this, by despairing over the world they inhabit, and thus positing indirectly a better place that should exist and does not. Not every song fits this criteria, but it is a dominant theme in many bands' works, and a band that ignores these things entirely is edging out of metal country altogether. Even bands that usually sing about 'reality', will often toss in a song about gladiators, or vampires, or a Tolkien reference. It is a way of escaping, for the length of a song or an album, from this world which is so often unworthy. Even the socially conscious lyrics so prevalent with Thrash bands are not the helpless, dragging sobs common with Nu-Metal, but are rather angry and active. Again, a drive towards a better place, or at least a simpler one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueEyedBeast View Post
    Rap is about Black People
    The ultimate irony is this is the most famous rapper.





    Interesting article, though the same can be said for a few genres of music, it seems to come down to the ineptitude of our, in particular, negroid counterparts, rather than anything else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erlkönig View Post
    The ultimate irony is this is the most famous rapper.

    He is definitely a famous rapper, but I don't know about "the most famous". I think he's more famous for kitschyness than anything else.. Though I suppose the same could be said of that genre as a whole..

    But I really don't keep up with it, so what do I know..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erlkönig View Post
    The ultimate irony is this is the most famous rapper.
    Though I believe his fame to be the product of his being naturally outside of commonality in regards to rap music, due to, in this instance, the colour of his skin. It is for this reason he dyed his hair blond and so on, I believe, although I would need to check this for certain.

    Anyway, metal is not a 'true expression of the Germanic soul' or whatever, but it is certainly at least to a large degree Germanic if not wholly Germanic in it's very foundation and indeed in that which it expresses. Further, the people who connect most strongly with what it expresses are largely Germanic or at least European in their descendency.

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    Yes, I see metal music and its subculture as an echo of forgotten values related to both the "volk soul" and the archetype of the warrior. There are so many things that are missing in this modern society and the longing for a greater time will emerge in various phenomenons, mostly put fourth by people of Indo-European descent.

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