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    Out of interest sonofburi, what are your own spiritual beliefs? And which of the ancient spiritual beliefs do you accept as tangeable?

    As for spiritism, I don't know much about it. But I do know it's something that a lot of people unfamiliar with esoteric spiritualism would go to first out of curiosity. I'd certainly be interested in taking part in a seance, not because I want to take up the beliefs of the spiritualists, but because I'd be interested in learning about their methods for contacting the spiritworld - because, whether you acknowledge it or not, the fact is that spiritism and ancient heathens do share this in common; a belief in a spirit world. It is central to both.

    Where my point relates to heavy metal is that Dio, Sabbath, Maiden and a lot of the other early acts represent heavy metal's first baby steps into the world of the occult. They were somewhat naive explorers, paving the way for later metal acts who delved far deeper into the older ways.
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    You shouldn't make assumptions about things you admitedly don't understand. And why do new agers always think everything must progress or evolve? Anyway, you're wrong about this. The spiritists' "spirit world" is really just the most inferior parts of the subconscious and the "spirits" are merely psychic residues. It has nothing to do with the spirit.
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    My not being familiar with Spiritism doesn't destroy my argument. I said that a large number of bands within the heavy metal genre have a deep understand of ancient spiritual traditions. That there are some (particularly the earlier ones) who participated in 'new age nonsense' is irrefutable. But they are a minority. And yes, Spiritism comes under the 'occult' banner, as do the ancient Germanic traditions.

    Not all occultism is credible, and not all heavy metal is new age.

    I'd still very much like to know what form(s) of spirituality you don't deem to be nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cythraul View Post

    I'd still very much like to know what form(s) of spirituality you don't deem to be nonsense.
    Yes so would I. Perhaps you could start a thread about it?
    A* I’m a dreadful reactionary, Mrs. Helena. I don’t like this progress one bit.
    H* Like Nana.
    A* Yes, like Nana. Does Nana have a prayer book?
    H* A big fat one.
    A* And are there prayers in it for various occurrences in life? Against storms? Against illness?
    H* Against temptation, against floods -
    A* But not against progress, I suppose?
    H* > I think not.
    A* That’s a shame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cythraul View Post
    My not being familiar with Spiritism doesn't destroy my argument. I said that a large number of bands within the heavy metal genre have a deep understand of ancient spiritual traditions. That there are some (particularly the earlier ones) who participated in 'new age nonsense' is irrefutable. But they are a minority. And yes, Spiritism comes under the 'occult' banner, as do the ancient Germanic traditions.

    Not all occultism is credible, and not all heavy metal is new age.

    I'd still very much like to know what form(s) of spirituality you don't deem to be nonsense.

    I disagree with your entire post (or all of your posts--whichever way you wish to read it). At this point I guess it would not make much sense to continue with this.
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    It doesn't matter to me if you agree with my posts or not. I'm not gonna gain anything by changing your mind, so I'm also happy to discontinue this discussion.

    But I do wonder if there is something behind you quite deliberately dodging my repeated question as to what you do deem a respectable form of spirituality. If you have explained elsewhere on this forum, please do me the courtesy of providing a link.
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    Quote Originally Posted by emperorlives View Post
    Call me idealistic, but I have always seen the metal scene as a very "white" thing.

    Especially the black metal scene. I laugh whenever I see a black metal band from Israel, for instance.

    I suppose there are some. But even if not, let`s take a look at Canadian Blasphemy, where a black musician had his part... BM cannot be considered as a music only for white, even if bands in the vein of Graveland think otherwise.

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    Bad ass post Kurtz, I have always thought of this aswell, after growing up around metal I had noticed. We have gone from expressing our feelings through war, with metal music instead!

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    This documentary shows that Metal is really not just a german phenomenon, but one of all industrial nations. It is interesting to see how often the musicians connect their metal music with their ethnic roots.

    http://www.globalmetalfilm.com/03/GM_03.html

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    I'm tired of people saying what black metal should or shouldn't be, it's a form of music, I could care less about the fans.

    As for death metal, a lot of the mainstream bands like Cannibal Corpse, Necrophagist, Nile, etc. really don't do the genre justice when bands with incredible musical talent like Suffocation, Gorguts, and Immolation go almost unnoticed.

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