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Thread: The Proto-IE Lexicon and Proto-Germanic Origins

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    Unfortunately, the 'Out of Asia' and 'Off the Steppe' theories for the IE Urheimat have been given far more credence than the Danubian, Galician or Balkan alternatives, and so all studies on the demographic history of the Scandinavian Peninsula that meet with the results mentioned above feel that they are bound to refute the old fashioned 'Kurgan' idea, rather than anything with a little more linguistic weight to it.

    Versions other than the nonsense coming from archaeologists like Renfrew and Gimbutas need popularising, so that intelligent people in other fields like genetics can be freed from the task of demolishing that which was already untenable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oswiu View Post
    Unfortunately, the 'Out of Asia' and 'Off the Steppe' theories for the IE Urheimat have been given far more credence than the Danubian, Galician or Balkan alternatives [...]
    Says who? Sources, please? Anyway I have no recollection of having mentioned any IE Urheimat yet...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vingolf View Post
    Says who? Sources, please?
    You get the Pontic Steppe version almost everywhere. We don't need to cite sources, I'm talking about common conceptions, and they usually lag behind actual advances and discoveries in every field, never mind historical linguistics!
    Anyway I have no recollection of having mentioned any IE Urheimat yet...
    You haven't, but it's there by implication. The researchers see nothing but similarity within Europe, and therefore conclude that there were no big changes on an ethnic level, as the usual suspect, IEanisation, is too widely thought to be an eastern interloper in our lands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oswiu View Post
    You get the Pontic Steppe version almost everywhere.
    Would be interesting to see some examples, though... Is "the Pontic Steppe version" a scientific term?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oswiu View Post
    We don't need to cite sources [...]
    Well, I just did. Of course, you don't HAVE TO cite sources, but it would be helpful.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oswiu View Post
    You haven't, but it's there by implication.
    Hm. I thought the Urheimat-concept had been abandoned long time ago...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vingolf View Post
    Would be interesting to see some examples, though... Is "the Pontic Steppe version" a scientific term?
    Why the fetishism for 'scientific terms"? It means what it says, that's good enough for me.
    Well, I just did. Of course, you don't HAVE TO cite sources, but it would be helpful.
    Pick up any book aimed at the general reader...
    Hm. I thought the Urheimat-concept had been abandoned long time ago...
    News to me. Are you suggesting it has been definitively superceded by the palaeolithic continuity theory?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vingolf View Post
    Yeah, who needs science anyway? eyes:
    Any reliable alternatives?
    Why take that tone? : I mentioned what I called the "Pontic Steppe version", and you then asked if it was a 'scientific term', I answered it wasn't but didn't need to be as it was a clear and unconfusing shorthand for the familiar idea of PIE having been originally spoken around the north shore of the Black Sea (Pontus Euxine or whatever the Hellenes called it), and having been brought to the rest of Eurasia by successful waves of mounted invaders, often supposed to have brought the 'Corded' Nordid type with them.

    What's wrong with that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oswiu View Post
    What's wrong with that?
    It would be easier to answer the question what's right about the "Kurgan Theory".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vingolf View Post
    It would be easier to answer the question what's right about the "Kurgan Theory".
    Ah, you have misunderstood me? I am the world's strongest opponent of the Kurgan theory of the Lithuanian feminist man-hater Marija Gimbutas! I favour the Danubian Urheimat. Mostly because of geographical/ecological reasons, and also because of the reconstructed lexica for flora and fauna.

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