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    Quote Originally Posted by Finnish Swede View Post
    If it is only linguistic term (like being Scandinavian for some; not for me), then it is pretty useless! USA with all their "black, brown, yellow ethnics" who speaks english. Sweden with all their people incl. those who speaks "kebab-Swedish". Turks in Germany who speaks German. And so on...

    Language alone can be learned, copied, changed pretty easily and much much faster than someones genetic background.
    Exactly, Germanic is a useless term to base one's identity upon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luminous Terror
    Exactly, Germanic is a useless term to base one's identity upon.

    We're an ethno-linguistic group, not just linguistic. I don't find it useless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luminous Terror View Post
    Exactly, Germanic is a useless term to base one's identity upon.
    If it's such a "useless" term what are you doing on a Germanic forum?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luminous Terror View Post
    Germanic is a linguistic term. Full stop. If you do not speak a Germanic language you are not Germanic, no matter how much you want to claim to be.
    Actually, Germanics are an ethno-linguistic group. Language, while an unifying term, is only half of the equation. While not speaking a Germanic language may indeed disqualify someone from Germanicdom, if this person has substantial Germanic ancestry, they still have the option to "reintegrate" themselves in Germanicdom by (re)learning the language. Blood, on the other hand, is not as simple to replace.

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    As Hersir said, 'Germanic' is an ethno-linguistic term. Someone can be 'Germanic' by blood and raised in a Non-Germanic language, but you can only be really a part of a branch when you at least understand your tribal compatriots.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aelfgar View Post
    Practically, it has to be necessary. A person cannot be part of a Germanic community unless they speak a Germanic language - English at least.
    Uhm yes...but English is the Germanic language which is the mostly 'contaminated' Germanic language by Non-Germanic terms & aspects. Latin and French. Better learn German or one of the Scandinavian ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leliana View Post
    Uhm yes...but English is the Germanic language which is the mostly 'contaminated' Germanic language by Non-Germanic terms & aspects. Latin and French. Better learn German or one of the Scandinavian ones.
    To be fair, there's a lot of French/Latin loanwords in Scandinavian as well, especially in more academical vocabulary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Žoreišar View Post
    To be fair, there's a lot of French/Latin loanwords in Scandinavian as well, especially in more academical vocabulary.
    Yes, but I think it's a bit over-the-top in English.
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    Ideally one would speak a Germanic language, but I don’t think it’s a necessity.

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    Hersir nailed it. Ethno-cultural identity, ethno-linguistic identity, etc. - it doesn't matter how you name it, but at the end of the day, the chief - and thus earlier and foremost mentioned part is the ethnicity part.

    Meaning that it's possibly to be ethnically Germanic without learning the language, but it'll be a drawback that will never make you seem as fully Germanic as someone who does, and you can relearn it. Meaning also, that if you accept the culture there is a possibility for members of kindred peoples to integrate and/or assimilate into Germanendom, but that it's very difficult and must always be held at a level where it doesn't endanger the ethnic fabric, because that's the foremost criterion (and the less, the better).

    At the same time, for someone who has the ethnicity and doesn't care about the culture part, all he has to do is to embrace the culture of his forebears and he'll be welcome at any preservationist's table like he's never done anything else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    I'm interested in learning about how the situation pertains especially to Volksdeutsche in the Hungarian/Serbian/Romanian border region, and especially the generation that stayed behind after 1990.

    Like I can imagine the situation where someone might oft grow up with the local language and be sent to the school of another minority group for the lack of a German school, and might later speak German with somewhat of an accent and thus perhaps be more fluent in let's say Hungarian than in German.
    Danube Swabians have own south german dialect, but it's very rare to hear nowadays, only the older generation can speak it, most germans speak Hoch Deutsch here.
    The assimilation is significant but not by force, the problem is the local german minority live in such areas where hungarians are majority and very hard to keep your german heritage when you're the only german in the village and many local german have mixed ancestry 1/8, 1/4 or half hungarian (i'm also 1/4 hungarian) and for example a half hungarian / half german will choose the hungarian identity in most cases just like my mother she's only half german and has hungarian identity.
    The hungarian communism between 1956-1990 was not such totalitarian like in Romania or North Korea, basically if you were not against the system then they left you alone, but of course every form of nationalism was taboo not just the german but the hungarian too. I'm not sure but i think they didn't really support the local german minority, after 1990 the situation was much better.
    I can say Hungary is a german oriented country not just because the historical past but many hungarian has distant german ancestry, i mean 1/4 or 1/8 it's very common here. In my school (in Budapest) every 3. student has such names like Gruber, Bauer, Mayer etc but unfortunatelly they can't speak german fluently.
    I don't know what's the situation in Serbia or Romania.

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