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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    The German-Americans are both German and American.
    This is mutally exclusive, they might have German ancestry. They assimilated in an Anglo-Saxon culture.

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    The German-American identity is different from yours as a German.
    Exactly, I am German, they are "German-American", or just American.

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    Not all speak the language but they are proud of their heritage and they participate to cultural events. If they are not Germanic, then what are they?
    German-Americans are Germanic, because they integrated in a Germanic society. However "Russia-Germans" who assimilated into a Russian society, willingly or not, are not even Germanic.

    Evidently there are some who didn't assimilate, but they are few in N-America, and due to political reasons become less and less in Russia, Brazil and Argentinia are good examples of countries with people who are still Germans, despite not lvining in Germany for quite a while.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    Language and customs are taught and learned, no one is really born with the knowledge.
    Yes, and no, blood is important, but you are right, the thing is that people who are already acostomed to other cultures don't learn another culture easily, so you are right to speak of the next generation who is then assimilated, like the German-Americans, and Russia-Germans who are already many generations in a process of assimilation.

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    Aren't you Germans hoping to regain your regions back from the Russians one day? The Germans there are your kin and they suffered because of the occupation.
    The Germans there are mostly intermixed with Russians, and speak Russian language and are loyal to Russia, they consider themselves Russian, they are lost for Germany. If someone wants to become German again, fine, we should then pick after racial and mental capabilites, like with everyone else who wants to become German, like it was stateted a few posts above.
    "Nothing is more disgusting than the majority: because it consists of a few powerful predecessors, of rogues who adapt themselves, of weak who assimilate themselves, and the masses who imitate without knowing at all what they want." (Johann Wolfgang Goethe)

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    I'd say yes you have to speak a Germanic language to be Germanic.

    Jäger, you can be both German and American, they aren't mutually exclusive. The Pennsylvania Germans are American but their culture is German and they speak a German dialect. Heard of Texasdeutsch? That's another good example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rassenpapst View Post
    Is Gisele Bündchen Germanic? She does not speak German but she is of 100% German ancestry. Her parents are fluent in German. She has also learned to speak English fluently.

    Ok, I have one for you. What about George W. Bush? He speaks Spanish although you have to get a translator to understand it. And he speaks English, although you have to get a translator to understand that too. Lately, I have noticed some simian facial features which Dubya seems to be developing. Is he Germanic?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fallen Angel View Post
    The Pennsylvania Germans are American but their culture is German and they speak a German dialect.
    Why are they Americans?

    Savitri Devi writes: "Those who want to be Christians and Nationalsocialists, are either bad Christians or bad Nationalsocialists, but most likely both."

    I think you can easily replace Christian and Nationalsocialist with German and American.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    Why are they Americans?
    Hmm because they were born and live in America and they are American citizens? : Would you call them German proper?
    Savitri Devi writes: "Those who want to be Christians and Nationalsocialists, are either bad Christians or bad Nationalsocialists, but most likely both."

    I think you can easily replace Christian and Nationalsocialist with German and American.
    Savitri Devi was not a German so I'd rather go with what the 25 points of the NSDAP said about Christianity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fallen Angel View Post
    Hmm because they were born and live in America and they are American citizens? : Would you call them German proper?
    Yes, if they speak German and have German culture and are of German blood, then they are German no matter where their feet touch the ground on this earth.

    I do understand the term German-American, like Russia-German, or Argentiniean German in so far as that it can describe just the current state these Germans live in, but as an ethnic term this is not possible.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallen Angel View Post
    Savitri Devi was not a German so I'd rather go with what the 25 points of the NSDAP said about Christianity.
    It's just simple logic, you can't serve two masters (God and the Führer) equally, one will have to have the last word.
    The same with ethnicities, you can't be loyal to two nations equally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    Yes, if they speak German and have German culture and are of German blood, then they are German no matter where their feet touch the ground on this earth.

    I do understand the term German-American, like Russia-German, or Argentiniean German in so far as that it can describe just the current state these Germans live in, but as an ethnic term this is not possible.
    It's possible because American is an integrative concept. We've got German-Americans, Scnadinavian-Americans, Polish-Americans, Italian-Americans. Here it's not the same as in Europe where they call themselves Sudetendeutsche or whatever. There you can't be Czech and German at the same time. But here, you see, American culture is different, it calls for integration, it's more assimilative. You can integrate but keep your customs too. So, you're a German because your ancestors come from Germany, you speak German and your native culture is German but you are also American. Here Germans don't live in small isolated communities like they do in Europe. Well, the Pennsylvania Germans/Amish isolate themselves but that's the exception to the rule so maybe it wasn't the best example I could give. But think Texas for example. In Texas, they speak their German language and practice their German customs, they have their occasional fests and such, but they are also as American as one can be. They have a motherland (Germany) and a fatherland (America).
    It's just simple logic, you can't serve two masters (God and the Führer) equally, one will have to have the last word.
    The NSDAP supported positive Christianity though and Hitler was a Catholic Christian.
    The same with ethnicities, you can't be loyal to two nations equally.
    Not equally, if they're at war, you'd have to make a choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fallen Angel View Post
    You can integrate but keep your customs too.
    Integrate in what? Integration means that you become like the ones you integrate into, by the very definition of it you loose your unique customs and culture.
    By keeping your customs and culture you don't integrate, and I agree that is the very nature of the USA, since it was supposed to be a union and not a nation, and that it is possible, then you are German-American, but you are not German and American in terms of ethnicity, and that is because the American ethnicity is either Anglo-Saxon or native.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallen Angel View Post
    So, you're a German because your ancestors come from Germany, you speak German and your native culture is German but you are also American.
    As I said, one of these will suffer because of this. I have met quite a few "German"-Americans (people who called themselves like this), but they were as Germans as the English are.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallen Angel View Post
    The NSDAP supported positive Christianity though and Hitler was a Catholic Christian.
    So see for yourself and ask your local priest if he was a good Catholic

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallen Angel View Post
    Not equally, if they're at war, you'd have to make a choice.
    In every competitive situation, not just war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    Integrate in what? Integration means that you become like the ones you integrate into, by the very definition of it you loose your unique customs and culture.
    By keeping your customs and culture you don't integrate, and I agree that is the very nature of the USA, since it was supposed to be a union and not a nation, and that it is possible, then you are German-American, but you are not German and American in terms of ethnicity, and that is because the American ethnicity is either Anglo-Saxon or native.
    Ethnicity is a social construct so I think you can be an American ethnically.
    As I said, one of these will suffer because of this. I have met quite a few "German"-Americans (people who called themselves like this), but they were as Germans as the English are.
    It depends who these folks were, of course a Turk can also call himself German that doesn't make him one. Might be that you just met the wrong kind of folks. Have you been to the States?
    So see for yourself and ask your local priest if he was a good Catholic
    Well obviously a priest would say not cause they don't wanna be associated with the evil monster they think Hitler was.
    In every competitive situation, not just war.
    Yep war was just an example I thought of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fallen Angel View Post
    Ethnicity is a social construct so I think you can be an American ethnically.
    Yes, that's what I wanted to say, it does depend on what we consider American. If it means just being part of a union, you can be German and American

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallen Angel View Post
    It depends who these folks were, of course a Turk can also call himself German that doesn't make him one.
    Yes, they were decendants of Germans, but they lost all their Germanness, e.g. language.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallen Angel View Post
    Well obviously a priest would say not cause they don't wanna be associated with the evil monster they think Hitler was.
    If he knows what he is talking about, then just ask for the reasons.
    "Nothing is more disgusting than the majority: because it consists of a few powerful predecessors, of rogues who adapt themselves, of weak who assimilate themselves, and the masses who imitate without knowing at all what they want." (Johann Wolfgang Goethe)

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