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Thread: Is Speaking a Germanic Language Necessary to Be Considered Germanic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vingolf View Post
    In my view people of Germanic descent and heritage in parts of Northern France should also be counted as Germanics, even though they do not speak a Germanic language anymore. A Jew is still a Jew even if he doesn't speak Hebrew anymore. In order to strengthen pan-Germanic consciousness, as already mentioned, it would be advantageous to introduce a relatively unknown, maybe ancient, Germanic language (Gothic?) in order to distinguish ourselves from other meta-ethnic groups.
    These folks are simply of Romance tradition and most likely very proud of their Frenchness. Jews on the other have have really assimilated to the mainstream culture, jews on foreign land have retained to heir religion and customs for thousands of years with high self-awareness. In my opinion etnicity or language do not make one germanic alone but together these two define what's germanic!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterThaGreat View Post
    They soon found out that these people with German roots were just plain Russians with zero competence in German language and knowledge of German customs!
    Even worse: many of these "Volga Germans" were plain Russians with zero Germanic blood in their veins. They bribed their way into Germany, paying off the local Public Record Office in Russia, thus getting documentary proof of their "German" descent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterThaGreat View Post
    German goverment took the stance in the 90's that everyone born to German parents are Germans, a citizen was immeadiately granted for the thousands of "German" Russians in Volga. They soon found out that these people with German roots were just plain Russians with zero competence in German language and knowledge of German customs!
    Finland has had similar experiences with Ingrian Finns. They are just Russians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterThaGreat View Post
    These folks are simply of Romance tradition and most likely very proud of their Frenchness.
    France is not 100% Romance. There are major differences within France corresponding to the division between the Germanic peoples who lived northeast of “the eternal line,” which connects Saint Malo on the English Channel with Geneva in French-speaking Switzerland. The northeast became the center of French industrialization and world trade. The northeast also differed from the southwest in literacy rates. In the early 19th century, while literacy rates for France as a whole were approximately 50%, the rate in the northeast was close to 100%, and differences occurred at least from the 17th century. Moreover, there was a pronounced difference in stature, with the northeasterners being taller by almost two centimeters in an 18th century sample of military recruits. The difference in the entire population was probably larger because the army would not accept many of the shorter men from the southwest. The trend toward the economically independent nuclear family was more prominent in the north, while there was a tendency toward joint families as one moves to the south and east.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeterThaGreat View Post
    Jews on the other have have really assimilated to the mainstream culture, jews on foreign land have retained to heir religion and customs for thousands of years with high self-awareness. In my opinion etnicity or language do not make one germanic alone but together these two define what's germanic!
    The Jews as a group have never assimilated anywhere, even though they have been (increasingly) integrated in mainstream society in many countries, and despite the fact that many of them became secularized Jews and forgot the Hebrew language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterThaGreat View Post
    German goverment took the stance in the 90's that everyone born to German parents are Germans, a citizen was immeadiately granted for the thousands of "German" Russians in Volga. They soon found out that these people with German roots were just plain Russians with zero competence in German language and knowledge of German customs!
    I met some "Wolgadeutsche" and in most cases they are very intelligent people with high adaptation rates. If you don´t hear the russian dialect when they speak german, you could think they are germans.
    Viele Menschen sind zu gut erzogen, um mit vollen Mund zu sprechen;
    aber sie haben keine Bedenken, dies mit leeren Kopf zu tun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vingolf View Post


    The Jews as a group have never assimilated anywhere, even though they have been (increasingly) integrated in mainstream society in many countries, and despite the fact that many of them became secularized Jews and forgot the Hebrew language.

    Sorry my mistake, I forgot a very vital word. I meant to say Jews have not assimilated really into European societies!

    Originally Posted by PeterThaGreat
    Jews on the other have have really assimilated to the mainstream culture, jews on foreign land have retained to heir religion and customs for thousands of years with high self-awareness. In my opinion etnicity or language do not make one germanic alone but together these two define what's germanic

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    Anyway, all in all Germanic is primarly a term to describe linguistic and cultural aspects, etnicity is ofcourse tied up with this but unfortunaly only of secondary importance. A French-speaking and culturally frenchmen cannot be Germanic despite partial Germanic heritage!

    Germanic Europe

    Countries where Germanic language enjoys official or national position.



    More specific!


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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterThaGreat View Post
    They soon found out that these people with German roots were just plain Russians with zero competence in German language and knowledge of German customs!
    This is quite a complex issue. The problem you are describing is almost exclusivly due to people of no German blood at all and this is mostly due to inter-marriage, not neccessaryly faked ancestry.
    In the early 90s arround 1/3rd of the "German"-Russian immigrants used to be "problematic in this regard, in the late 90s this changed to the worse, thus arround 2/3rd were problematic now.
    There are many German-Russians who are of good racial quality and where you wouldn't even notice that they were not born in Germany, obviously they are so ones no one notices.
    Then there are the ones who had high hopes of Germany but feel Russian for whatever reason, but mostly because they are Russian, and this hopes were not fulfilled, so they don't even try to integrate, they just want back, somehow.
    They are mostly very brutal and criminal, Turks are mostly just big mouthing, but these Russians stab you in no time, that's how they drag all other down with them.
    "Nothing is more disgusting than the majority: because it consists of a few powerful predecessors, of rogues who adapt themselves, of weak who assimilate themselves, and the masses who imitate without knowing at all what they want." (Johann Wolfgang Goethe)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    The question who is Germanic can be seen as an extension to who is German, just replace German with Germanic , the definition of Dr. Joseph Göbbels

    "Who is a German ethnic brother?
    Every honest working German, in so far he is of German blood (six races of Germany after Günther), is of German custom and culture, and speaks the German language!" (Dr. Joseph Göbbels, Das kleine abc des Nationalsozialisten.)

    One can be learned rather easily (language) some might take a generation or more (customs, culture) and one you need to be born with (blood)
    This didnt matter too much to nazis since they were taking young (polish speaking) children of aryan stock out of poland and placing them in re-education centers and letting them be adopted into german families.

    + Say some south african (white) family lost their son in the jungle, he survives like some kind of 'tarzan', is a complete savage and speaks in clicks? Is he reclassified as a negrid or khoisanid* etc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oski Von Skadi View Post
    This didnt matter too much to nazis since they were taking young (polish speaking) children of aryan stock out of poland and placing them in re-education centers and letting them be adopted into german families.
    Of course it did, can't you read? I said language can be learned, so can culture and customs, the younger you are the better you can learn these things, the only prerequesite they needed was blood, which translates to race.
    It say nothing about who can become German, just about who is German.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oski Von Skadi View Post
    Say some south african (white) family lost their son in the jungle, he survives like some kind of 'tarzan', is a complete savage and speaks in clicks? Is he reclassified as a negrid or khoisanid* etc?
    I don't know why his race would change. However ethnicity is always a question of acceptance and will, if he doesn't want to be South African, doesn't behave like a South African, then he is no South African. If he wants to be South African, but South Africans don't recognize him as such, he isn't either.
    "Nothing is more disgusting than the majority: because it consists of a few powerful predecessors, of rogues who adapt themselves, of weak who assimilate themselves, and the masses who imitate without knowing at all what they want." (Johann Wolfgang Goethe)

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