View Poll Results: Are you pan-Germanic?

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  • Yes, I support the creation of a pan-Germanic state uniting all Germanic peoples

    65 25.19%
  • Yes, a "federal union" of Germanic states like the EU. Germanics live & work where they like

    53 20.54%
  • Yes, a "federal union" of Germanic states like the EU. Limited inter-migration to keep diversity

    32 12.40%
  • No, independence. Only loose military alliances are OK. Free trade between Germanics is OK

    70 27.13%
  • No, independence. Limited or zero trade & migration between Germanic states.

    12 4.65%
  • Other (please specify).

    26 10.08%
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Thread: Nationalism or Pan-Germanicism? / Inter-Germanic Unity or Inter-Germanic Aparthood?

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    Post Re: Are Pan-Germanism and Nationalism incompatible?

    Dalonord,

    If only Stuyvesant had gotten his way!
    Peter Stuyvesant is dead... he has been for a long time. But this may be the reason why his ghost continues to harass people. I'm sure that, along with the English occupation of New Amsterdam, his decision to capitulate to the Dutch East India Company, and it's perfidious shareholders, continues to be a blight on his soul.

    New Amsterdam was a settlement/city, now known as New York, not a colony.
    I respectfully disagree...

    I lived in New Jersey, all of my life, before having to move to Pennsyvania. My people are lost, to New Jersey.

    Leonia, New Jersey, was a very prominant Dutch towne, during the era, of which we speak. Now, it's just a filthy mess of Koreans. You'd not know that you were living in America, by walking down it's streets. Their language is posted everywhere. The whole town smells horrible. Everywhere you walk, you see the sneaky little bastards. If you were to see anything but Koreans, you'd have to work on the Police Department, Fire Department, or the Town Council.

    That towne is totally disgraced, along with it's neighbor, Palisades Park.

    The two, are now known as Reonya and Parisades Pok.

    Beyond my disgust, there were, in fact, a number of Dutch settlements, in New Jersey. I would group them all, into the Colony of New Amsterdam, regardless of political boundries.

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    Post Re: Are Pan-Germanism and Nationalism incompatible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jibby
    I respectfully disagree...

    I lived in New Jersey, all of my life, before having to move to Pennsyvania. My people are lost, to New Jersey.
    I am still in NJ.
    I would group them all, into the Colony of New Amsterdam, regardless of political boundries.
    Firstly NJ was founded by Dutch but the colony was "New Netherland" , not New Amsterdam. This is where both you and Mynydd are wrong, there has never been a colony known as "New Amsterdam", it wouldn't even make sense to name an entire colony after a city.

    The political boundaries were very distinct in old pre united New Jersey. Puritans rigidly controlled East Jersey while the West was a loose government.

    Could a mod split this into a thread about New Jersey history in the American section?
    Last edited by Cole Nidray; Friday, October 14th, 2005 at 08:18 PM. Reason: Stupid spelling error

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    Post Re: Are Pan-Germanism and Nationalism incompatible?

    Hei Allesammen,

    I am continuing the tread og Germanic Union on the new thread suggested by Leofric:

    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=40936 ( Building a Pan-Germanic Nation )

    Thank you for the Velkomst and see you over there. I have attempted to address most interesting points from above.

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    Post Re: Are Pan-Germanism and Nationalism incompatible?

    Bjerre,

    You are correct. It has been a while, since my schooling, on the subject.

    New Netherland, would be the colony name, with it's capital at New Amsterdam.

    Discussion should probably be moved to a thread, more to the interests of New Jersey.

    As I said, I, myself, would just group them all together, regardless of political boundries.

    The people of the era, most certainly would not.

    I just don't care, and that's why I would group them. It's easier to explain it to certain people, that way... at least for me.

    Correction Addressed, Duly Noted, and Carried.

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    Post Re: Are Pan-Germanism and Nationalism incompatible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mynydd
    LOL. Thanks for what? The Spains did what was right, to expell the Jews from our lands. Spain did not ask anyone to take them.
    Ready? I'm going to spell it out for you:

    J.......O........K........E

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    Post Re: Are Pan-Germanism and Nationalism incompatible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jibby
    Dalonord,

    Peter Stuyvesant is dead... he has been for a long time.
    Thanks for that. I wasn't clear on the matter.

    I need to sign off....

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    Post Re: Are Pan-Germanism and Nationalism incompatible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mynydd
    However it is strange to notice that the most "offending country" mentioned by SN, France (Elsass-Lothringen, Southern Netherlands and, indirectly Flanders) is one identified as Western Germanic.



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    I have to agree, to be honest. I admit i find very strange the presence of France among the Germanic lands. France and its population can't be described like a Germanic/folkish country in the complex.

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    Post Re: Are Pan-Germanism and Nationalism incompatible?

    Quote Originally Posted by KULL
    I have to agree, to be honest. I admit i find very strange the presence of France among the Germanic lands. France and its population can't be described like a Germanic/folkish country in the complex.
    They're more Germanic than Poles.

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    Post Re: Are Pan-Germanism and Nationalism incompatible?

    I don't feel at home in France either. I like it there but it's definitely not home.

    History is sending good Germanics to the Gaelic lands and they turn their a_ _ _s on us. Well, one could certainly put it more urbanely, but it's late night, so anything goes.

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    Post Re : Re: Are Pan-Germanism and Nationalism incompatible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Astorp
    I don't feel at home in France either. I like it there but it's definitely not home.
    Of course, it's not. For my part, I just feel at home when... at home, i.e. in my own country, be it the Germanic, the Celtic, the Romance or the mixed part. That's why France is so special and unique.
    Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscripti catapultas habebunt.

    « -Oh my God, but you're a neo-nazi?!...
    -But why neo? »

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