View Poll Results: Are you pan-Germanic?

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  • Yes, I support the creation of a pan-Germanic state uniting all Germanic peoples

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  • Yes, a "federal union" of Germanic states like the EU. Germanics live & work where they like

    53 20.54%
  • Yes, a "federal union" of Germanic states like the EU. Limited inter-migration to keep diversity

    32 12.40%
  • No, independence. Only loose military alliances are OK. Free trade between Germanics is OK

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Thread: Nationalism or Pan-Germanicism? / Inter-Germanic Unity or Inter-Germanic Aparthood?

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    Post Re: Are Pan-Germanism and Nationalism incompatible?

    Wouldn't it be most practical to focus solely on the destruction of French Language and Culture? After all, France is the greatest piece of real estate in Europe, but it is wasted.

    I say let those Ancient Gauls and Franks still remaining be encouraged to wreck their own economy, dispossess the Medish elements of society, and forge a new population base from the middle-classes of the nearest Germanic nations.

    Think of how The United States was built. Let the Gauls and Franks be the Old Americans.

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    Post Re : Re: Are Pan-Germanism and Nationalism incompatible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bennett
    Wouldn't it be most practical to focus solely on the destruction of French Language and Culture?
    What has that to do with this thread ? I don't see why the destruction of French language and culture would be "practical"


    I say let those Ancient Gauls and Franks still remaining be encouraged to wreck their own economy, dispossess the Medish elements of society, and forge a new population base from the middle-classes of the nearest Germanic nations.

    Think of how The United States was built. Let the Gauls and Franks be the Old Americans.
    Actually France is about 80-85% Celto-Germanic, and Meds aren't a real problem like perhaps they are in Italy (for the Padanians). They are especially in the South-Eastern France (Provence, Languedoc), and these regions are economically very dynamic. I don't understand your point, really.
    Indeed we have to build something like a new French Nation and to support and encourage Celtic and Germanic elements, but why without French language and culture ?
    The great questions of the day will not be settled by means of speeches and majority decisions but by iron and blood.

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    Post Re: Are Pan-Germanism and Nationalism incompatible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sigel
    This is a question that has been on my mind for some time now and I figure Skadites may be equipped to answer. It seems that most people here accept the notion of a ‘Germanic culture’ and perhaps even race. (I don’t wish to debate anthropological and racial science here, so please interpret my statement in the way you consider to be the most correct).

    Our distant ancestors recognized this kinship (see the Anglo-Saxon poem The Wanderer) and linguistic and historical information back this up. I feel at home in any Germanic land and recognize that they all face similar problems of Globalization, Immigration, on a massive scale, and cultural disenfranchisement of their youth. Liberal & Leftist politicians are keen to dispel any notion of a common Germanic history or ethnic unity, as this would jeopardize their Multi-Cultural agenda.

    It seems the only way to oppose this trend is to back the Nationalist parties of each respective country, as they offer viable solutions for limiting and reversing immigration and preserving cultural identity.

    But some nationalist parties have, in my opinion, an unpleasant facet. They draw upon their nation’s ‘glorious’ history to engender a patriotic, chauvinistic and even aggressive attitude towards other nations, often rooted in territorial ambition. Although most pay some lip-service to the concept of ‘white/western’ culture, they make it clear that their citizens are ‘paramount’.

    In states run by such parties outside Germanic ‘foreigners’ may be at best tolerated but could find that some of the more extreme nationalists are even hostile towards them. My feeling is that this style of ‘exclusive’ nationalism inherently contradicts the notion of friendship, cooperation and understanding between Germanic kindred.

    Would others agree?

    Try travelling to places with many citizens of that country with Germanic ancestry, trust me, they retain their Germanic pride, and more often than not are patriotic citizens of wherever they live. In America Texas, Wisconsin, New York, Iowa, and Pennslyvania all have numerous popular Germanic cultural events, and German can be pursued as a second language in many public schools.

    Nearly 43,000,000 Americans can claim German ancestry according to the 2004 census according to the German Embassy in New York.

    You are correct that there are forces at work (sadly, usually German Liberal politicians) who would like to see any form of unity fractured, but, I've travelled a bit, and from cultural events I've seen, people with German ancestry living outside of Germany seemed damned proud to be German.

    Having been to Germany though, I noticed most Germans will not identify themselves as such...they will be "Bavarian" or "Hessen" or something.

    That sort of perplexed me, but I think Germans living in Germany will identify with their region, while the children of emigrants would just look at germany as one country.

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    Post Re: Are Pan-Germanism and Nationalism incompatible?

    "Having been to Germany though, I noticed most Germans will not identify themselves as such...they will be "Bavarian" or "Hessen" or something."
    It's probably because Germany is different in that each region has it's own culture and way of life. I noticed that when I visited a while ago (went to Wiesbaden where I lived and Bertchesgarden.)

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    Post Re: AW: Re: AW: Re: Are Pan-Germanism and Nationalism incompatible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyklop
    Did I write anything about Eastern Europe?
    You dont consider them germanic then.

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    Post Re: Re : Re: Are Pan-Germanism and Nationalism incompatible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Der Elsasser
    Actually France is about 80-85% Celto-Germanic, and Meds aren't a real problem like perhaps they are in Italy (for the Padanians). They are especially in the South-Eastern France (Provence, Languedoc), and these regions are economically very dynamic. I don't understand your point, really.
    Indeed we have to build something like a new French Nation and to support and encourage Celtic and Germanic elements, but why without French language and culture ?
    I think 80-85% is far too high. Besides the Medish component, there is of course the mostly urban die-hard Romantic type which has everything to lose in a more Northern society. Regardless of its sub-races, it is a great liability, and must be done away with if France would begin to recover. Unfortunatley, it is they who control your language my friend. Take it back!

    I'm undecided about the French language really. Many see it as the legacy of wretched Rome and nothing else, but others as a living Celtic language of sorts. I suppose it depends on who is speaking it. Take it back!

    Take it back!

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    Post AW: Re: Are Pan-Germanism and Nationalism incompatible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bennett
    Wouldn't it be most practical to focus solely on the destruction of French Language and Culture?
    Ok, but first let´s destroy American loudmouthedness.
    Tolerance is a proof of distrust in one's own ideals. Friedrich Nietzsche


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    Post Re: Are Pan-Germanism and Nationalism incompatible?

    In my opinion Pan germanism and Nationalism are not incompatible. Pan-germanism is nothing more than a more universal and general form of nationalism, based on ethnic proximity rather than on a simple frontier. Of course, my reasonment could be seen a bit quick ; effectively there are various notable obstacles, like the different languages (german and dutch languages for example) and the autoctonous cultures of every Germanic country. Although these differences, i think this : in a world like ours, it's surely NOT usefull( i mean it's narrow-minded) persisting in the defence of a single frontier(afterall a simple line on a map, whom can cange several times in a century) when the same ethnic entity is in danger. Today, the communications, and the freedom of movment, are very strong : everyone could enter in a country and to obtain the nationality (many black africans have the german passport and speak german. Are they germans for this ? ). TODAY, unfortunately, a line on a geographic map, means much less, than 50 years ago. It's more important the ethnic awarness (even a GENERAL germanic awarness) than a piece of paper released by a politically correct institution.

    I understand your feelings; everyone of you (me too), is very loyal to his own specific nationality; it's right. Although, you must understand that a general ethnic closness is more important than a STRICTLY nationalist vision of the things. I'm sure many germans feel more close to them foreign dutch people than nigerians who live in germany, for example.

    @Zyklop : I understand your feelings (like many germans afterall) about slavic populations, though, there is a LIMIT to this too. I'd PREFER 1000 times a POLISH immigrant (integrated) than an immigrant from CONGO. Be reasonable, Zyklop, and reflect on this, before answering to me

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    Post AW: Re: Are Pan-Germanism and Nationalism incompatible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Tiger
    @Zyklop : I understand your feelings (like many germans afterall) about slavic populations, though, there is a LIMIT to this too. I'd PREFER 1000 times a POLISH immigrant (integrated) than an immigrant from CONGO. Be reasonable, Zyklop, and reflect on this, before answering to me
    I don´t bear any grudges against Slavs and neither do most Germans. Why are you adressing this topic?
    Whom you, as a non-German, would prefer over the Congo immigrant is of zero importance.
    Tolerance is a proof of distrust in one's own ideals. Friedrich Nietzsche


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    Post Re: AW: Re: Are Pan-Germanism and Nationalism incompatible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyklop
    I don´t bear any grudges against Slavs and neither do most Germans. Why are you adressing this topic?
    Whom you, as a non-German, would prefer over the Congo immigrant is of zero importance.
    The reference to the eastern countries, few post ago, has remembered to me the thing, but yes, probably is off-topic. Anyway, your last answer has confirmed EXACTLY what i think ( in the sense you've nothing against slavs, obviously...........)
    Last edited by Huzar; Friday, April 1st, 2005 at 07:27 AM.

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