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    The "Race does not Exist" Debate

    Whilst it is rather obvious from the human eye that our races do exist and the works written by Coon as well as the information here proves otherwise there is a growing trend that believes in the idea that Race doesn't really exist and as the leftists say is nothing more than a social construct.

    I have come to several reasons why I think it is flawed how ever whilst this is maybe a controversial topic I would like to hear a more knowledgeable response on the issue.

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    Anything is, in some way, a social construction. Its meaning has a social context. That does not make it any less real. And there is the fallacy with critical race theory: yes, race is a social category but so is the Althing, this computer, the desk it is on, and the chair I am sitting in.

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    When I first heard this theory I laughed, I assumed they meant Asians chose to socially have slanted eyes etc.

    In my opinion saying race doesn't exist is like saying water isn't wet. It seems to have stemmed from the culture/class perversion of socialism with Marx stating culture to be a social construct, I believe it built from there.

    Recently of course we have noticed a strong emergence of anti-race propoganda, generally very flawed and biased, I've even seen mixed people used as an example. They look for any excuse as to why race doesn't exist and fail to look at all the facts, only the ones that support their argument. There is more in favour of race existing than not existing.

    The "there is one race, the human race" argument always amuses, we're not a race, we're a species. From these races comes the chance to form new species via evolution if the process isn't hindered too much.

    The truth of the matter is the cult of race denial is a social construct and race exists spiritually, physically and scientifically. Anyone who can't see even the physical aspects should probably invest in some glasses.

    Quote Originally Posted by Loddfafner View Post
    Anything is, in some way, a social construction. Its meaning has a social context. That does not make it any less real. And there is the fallacy with critical race theory: yes, race is a social category but so is the Althing, this computer, the desk it is on, and the chair I am sitting in.
    Interesting view which I can agree with mostly. By this way of thinking I'm a social construct of my parents... So perhaps I don't actually exist?

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    If it did not exist then it would not be debatable, now would it?

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    The usual argument they use is that because there are not discrete boundaries between the races that races don't exist. What they don't mention is that such a statement is equivalent to saying that there's no such thing as being tall or short, because some people are in the middle.

    The other argument they use is that because we share 99.9% of our DNA with other races, we're 99.9% the same. I also share 96% of my DNA with a squirrel but i've never had the urge to bury any nuts.

    Frankly the scientists who knowingly give out such misleading statements should be ashamed of themselves and anyone who believes them isn't worth arguing with anyway.

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    I don't think the "race is just a social construct" argument is gaining favour, at least not here in Finland. The whole idea goes against common sense and observable reality to begin with, but so far people haven't been bothered with the ramblings of a few zealots.

    However with the growing (but still mercifully minor, compared to other Western European countries) deluge of cultural enrichers, the protests of average Finns seem to be growing more insistent, while the multikulti fanatics's contributions to the debate become more and more shrill and absurd.

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    In order to make the argument that race doesn't exist valid, one must use the most narrow and confining definition of race possible; one with rigid boundaries and easily quantifiable characteristics. Such a definition is hardly applicable to dynamic, constantly evolving beings such as humans. While you can't perfectly define race, you can give parameters for different races that make assigning the proper label to an individual pretty simple.

    As far as a social construct, what exactly is a social construct? A phenomenon that emerges from the interaction of people. If one such phenomenon is the tendency to categorize people based on physical (or otherwise) characteristics then obviously there were some inherent differences to begin with, or the social construct would never have been constructed to begin with.

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    I know alot of people who favor the "Race doesn't exist, we're the same species" rhetoric. Intelligent people too at that. That's pretty sad! Though, I do believe that race does exist because different ethnicities/races have a certain look to them, language characteristics, and also because geneticists can also distribute race by DNA. Race as a social construct is just Leftist propaganda to make everyone ignore "bias". A good example of social constructs would be a caste system; lord, citizen, slave. I don't see how race would fit in this.

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    Have you ever heard of the prescrition drug Bidil, for blacks with heart failure? I'd like to hear a race denier explain this.

    http://www.bidil.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuchulain View Post
    ... Such a definition is hardly applicable to dynamic, constantly evolving beings such as humans.
    That is quickly coming to an end now, however, or rather already has. For a species to evolve, its populations must be relatively isolated from each other. So, unfortunately, as we all know, the only human populations that will continue evolving (in whatever direction) in the future will be the most remote and primitive tribes in the jungles of Africa and Asia.

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