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    Quote Originally Posted by John Smithwick View Post
    Generally agreed. The idea is diplomacy will hopefully get us out of this situation. If you think (((they))) were powerful then, today they've essentially become omnipotent.
    They're omnipotent because the Allies fought for Jewish global hegemony on the back of a made-up "monster".

    You think you can negotiate with cancer to go away. But the truth is, either you cut out cancer or the host will die. There is no diplomatic option here.

    I quoted and addressed each of your points in my last reply.
    Cant remember a statement where you explained why you justify the destruction and annihilation of the German people and nation for the sake of Poles, a non-Germanic people and one hostile to Germanics.
    Who btw continue to grab land. Will the allies come again and help Poles to grab Mecklenburg-Vorpommern? I bet so. Never mind the sanctions (cold war) against Germany due to Nordstream.

    I'll state it once again: NS was a great system up until 1939 (minus the part where Hitler killed people during the Night of the Long Knives, and minus the part where he (essentially) banned our Pagan and National Folk Faith religions; and the part where he was banning books like those of the nationalist Spengler who was slightly critical of the regime and could foresee the impending doom Hitler would trigger). So there it is again velvet. What shocks me is that there are still people who agree with all of Hitler's rationalizations up until his death in 1945.
    Because half of what you bring up is a lie. You maintain that NS "banned" pagan faiths, which is not true. They could congegrate and assemble and publish books and magazines. You claim that "books were mass-banned", which is not true either. The "infamous" book-burning sessions were initially a one-time symbolic event, initiated to burn the porn-promotion of (((Hirschfeld))) and other degenerates. It spiraled a bit out of control, ordinary people pulled all Jewish books out of their shelves and made a happening out of it. The detail that you never read in (((history books))) is that the "evil regime" also ended this massacre of literature (because also Heine and other literature ended on those symbolic stakes).

    And much of what you bring up against NS is all "hindsight". Like you did with what "Hitler should have done in 1930 against Churchill being elected". C'mon, it's bullshit. You cant argue against NS on results, that would have been very different if the Allies had not gone against us anyway.


    What I find especially sad, and I say this as someone of part German descent (myself), is that such arguments (i.e. every decision by Hitler was right) are a disservice to Germany. State where Hitler was right; but state where Hitler was wrong; otherwise, you end up helping the enemy.
    I already did so. It was fundamentally wrong to not go fully pagan from the get go, regardless of how many christards this had offended.

    And if you wish, I add another wrong-doing of Hitler to the list. His coward suicide and burning of his corpse to "escape the Allied treatment Mussolini-style", basically his entire last month (or if you will, the desperate decisions of 44/45), his political testament shitting on Himmler and much of the sacrifice the German people made etc.

    But still, you will not make me condemn NS because of this or that "wrong" of Hitler. And this is what this is all about. You want me to condemn NS based on "hindsight wrong results", which were by and large not the inherent product of NS but of the war.

    And you also want me condemn the idea of a Leader Figure, which is not going to happen either. People dont rise up because of ideas and common sense arguments, people rise up because of Leaders promoting ideas and visions. The general aversion of the rampant-indivualistic West rejecting a Leader-figure is the reason why the White Race will just take its annihiliation without any more resistance.


    The Germans worshiped their totalitarian dictator as though he was a God (even when he got 10 million of them exterminated); and people like Mosley would have been that for us. We fought German autocratic authoritarianism, and then we fought the Soviet version.
    The problem with this is that they had no business telling us what kind of govt we should have based on the wrong ideas of liberalism, capitalism and demoncrazy. WE CHOSE THIS GOVT ourselves. We did so with the Kaiser and we did again with Hitler, making a conscious decision AGAINST democracy. And it is not wrong. Everyone will run headlessly into the wrong direction if there's no one telling people where to go.

    "Democracy is the method to push through the will of the financial elites and make the Folk believe that the majority had wanted it so."
    ~Matthias Lubos

    We are dying on democracy, on liberalism, and valuelessness and everything-goes, on capitalism and political retardation. You want me to condemn the antidote. No I wont.

    The "Soviet version" was an ALLY of that fine (((West))), so give me a fckn break. The animosity against Soviet-Bolshevism only came about in 1948 or so, when the Soviets demanded that the fine (((West))) actually sticks to the deals they had struck together. Until then, specially America were best buddies with the Soviets. And not ONCE ever the fine (((West))) condemned the Holodomor, the Gulags or anything else. Because no one gave a fly's shit about the people of Russia and Ukraine.


    I'll admit that today the 'we' (in terms of British descendants) don't exist in any explicit form. The Jews, on the other hand, run our civilization, and are driving us towards oblivion. It's the fault of things like the Monarchy and the Church of England and Scotland as well - institutions which promote mass immigration, mass mixing, all in the name of a version of the Jews' messiah; institutions which should be tribal centres for our people. I hate our civilization. I just hate it.
    But still you stick to this system's anti-values, its tenets and confessions that helped erode the Volk-Self-Consciousness to begin with.

    The Germans worshiped their totalitarian dictator as though he was a God (even when he got 10 million of them exterminated)
    Stumm schweift der Blick übers weite Land
    Der Horizont steht in Flammen, die Erde ist verbrannt
    Was einst heilig und vollkommen, liegt nun tief vergraben
    Zerissen von der Zeit, den Würmern und den Schaben

    Marschiert dem Lichte entgegen, möge es führen, möge es segnen
    Heilig ist der Krieg, vergießt das Blut für den ewigen Sieg
    Geeint im Kampf, geeint im Leid, dem Teufel zum Trotz zum Sterben bereit
    Die heiligen Hallen stehen euch offen, ewiger Ruhm sei euch versprochen

    An ihren Taten sollt ihr erkennen, die Wahrheit liegt nah
    Auf ihren Trümmern soll entstehen was einst war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    They're omnipotent because the Allies fought for Jewish global hegemony on the back of a made-up "monster".
    Agreed.
    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    You think you can negotiate with cancer to go away. But the truth is, either you cut out cancer or the host will die. There is no diplomatic option here.
    Diplomacy is our only option, and I think if we framed things better, Jews would listen. I think the Jews look at us as ridiculous because we don't actually organize ourselves as a faith community. Christianity is a Roman version of the Jews' messiah (you and I agree there). We must create our own faith, and say: "This is who we are. This is where our people congregate. Our faith is 'faith in our people and nation' and we ask that you Jews stop attacking us, especially calling us Nazis." That's my strategy. That's my diplomacy.
    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    Cant remember a statement where you explained why you justify the destruction and annihilation of the German people and nation for the sake of Poles, a non-Germanic people and one hostile to Germanics.
    That's because I never did. We slightly cared about the Poles, but not really. It was Jewish propaganda through our newspapers which said things like "Hitler wants to takeover our countries and the world, so 'we' must fight him." It was a lie. They also lied by omitting the circumstances of the Corridor Crisis in 1939: they didn't mention the 80K German refugees who poured across the border that summer, the tens of thousands sent to concentration camps in the Polish interior, their property nationalized or torched, the 200 murders of Germans, etc. Had average Brits known that, they'd have taken their arms to Churchill's house, tarred and feathered his fat drunken Jewish bribed ass (The Focus Group).

    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    Because half of what you bring up is a lie. You maintain that NS "banned" pagan faiths, which is not true. They could congegrate and assemble and publish books and magazines.
    If they were allowed to congregate, it would have been in very small numbers because:

    https://forums.skadi.net/threads/183...=1#post1293829

    The Holy Reich: Nazi Conceptions of Christianity, 1919-1945, By Richard Steigmann-Gall, 2003, pp 151-152.

    Finally, in August 1935, Heydrich forbade all rallies and other public meetings of the DG across the Reich.

    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    You claim that "books were mass-banned", which is not true either. The "infamous" book-burning sessions were initially a one-time symbolic event, initiated to burn the porn-promotion of (((Hirschfeld))) and other degenerates. It spiraled a bit out of control, ordinary people pulled all Jewish books out of their shelves and made a happening out of it. The detail that you never read in (((history books))) is that the "evil regime" also ended this massacre of literature (because also Heine and other literature ended on those symbolic stakes).
    No I just said that I didn't like how nationalist books like Spengler's were banned - I didn't/don't care about the other books. Spengler was pointing out how the autocratic nature of the regime would be it's downfall, and it was. You have to acknowledge that the history of Britain and France were such that we got rid of our divine right kings and queens. The French eradicated theirs during the French Revolution. The British depowered theirs over centuries. You guys got rid of yours after WWI, but then, you essentially recreated it under a different name "NS/Hitlerism". Spengler could see how this wouldn't sit well with the West, and would be used by the Jews to blow the whole thing up in your faces, as the average British and Frenchman (and American) didn't want such a neighbor. We certainly didn't want to fight Germans over it; but the Jews invariably manipulated us into doing so.

    As for the Jews, I can be somewhat sympathetic to them, but not very sympathetic. The reason I'm sympathetic, is because the ancient Roman emperors and Monarchies were responsible for bringing the Jews into Europe in the first place. They brought them into Europe as part of the Christian system. So in a large way, it wasn't their fault they were in our countries. Hitler never addressed this point. Most of them obviously didn't want to go live in Palestine (Hitler's intention) then as now. Europe is nicer. So, I think if Hitler would have been slightly less antagonistic towards them, more diplomatic, they may have not used their newspapers and bribes (to people like Churchill) to manipulate us into destroying Germany. They could have been moved to a piece of Canada since we have so much land we don't use here, if Germans really couldn't stand having Jews around them anymore. I don't really like being around Jews either, but I also don't really like being around Christians, so ... all I want is my British Faith, moreover European Canadian Faith (British centric), and to be around my people.
    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    And much of what you bring up against NS is all "hindsight". Like you did with what "Hitler should have done in 1940 against Churchill being elected". C'mon, it's bullshit. You cant argue against NS on results, that would have been very different if the Allies had not gone against us anyway.
    Yes, everything here is a hindsight analysis. I agree.

    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    I already did so. It was fundamentally wrong to not go fully pagan from the get go, regardless of how many christards this had offended.

    And if you wish, I add another wrong-doing of Hitler to the list. His coward suicide and burning of his corpse to "escape the Allied treatment Mussolini-style", basically his entire last month (or if you will, the desperate decisions of 44/45), his political testament shitting on Himmler and much of the sacrifice the German people made etc.

    But still, you will not make me condemn NS because of this or that "wrong" of Hitler. And this is what this is all about. You want me to condemn NS based on "hindsight wrong results", which were by and large not the inherent product of NS but of the war.
    Fair enough.
    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    And you also want me condemn the idea of a Leader Figure, which is not going to happen either. People dont rise up because of ideas and common sense arguments, people rise up because of Leaders promoting ideas and visions. The general aversion of the rampant-indivualistic West rejecting a Leader-figure is the reason why the White Race will just take its annihiliation without any more resistance.
    Fair enough. We need our leadership model I think to be more "learned council of elders" i.e. have a dozen "great leaders" speaking on behalf of the people.

    I watched the British Nationalist Party dissolve because the leader, Nick Griffin, faltered in a few ways. We have stop that trend.

    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    The problem with this is that they had no business telling us what kind of govt we should have based on the wrong ideas of liberalism, capitalism and demoncrazy. WE CHOSE THIS GOVT ourselves. We did so with the Kaiser and we did again with Hitler, making a conscious decision AGAINST democracy. And it is not wrong. Everyone will run headlessly into the wrong direction if there's no one telling people where to go.

    "Democracy is the method to push through the will of the financial elites and make the Folk believe that the majority had wanted it so."
    ~Matthias Lubos

    We are dying on democracy, on liberalism, and valuelessness and everything-goes, on capitalism and political retardation. You want me to condemn the antidote. No I wont.
    Well said. I think that's why the Russians have the system they do. Putin acts as a stabilizing force.
    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    The "Soviet version" was an ALLY of that fine (((West))), so give me a fckn break. The animosity against Soviet-Bolshevism only came about in 1948 or so, when the Soviets demanded that the fine (((West))) actually sticks to the deals they had struck together. Until then, specially America were best buddies with the Soviets. And not ONCE ever the fine (((West))) condemned the Holodomor, the Gulags or anything else. Because no one gave a fly's shit about the people of Russia and Ukraine.
    Well said. Churchill did rail against Sovietism for a while and the Holodomor, but after the Focus Group began bribing him, he changed his tune.

    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    But still you stick to this system's anti-values, its tenets and confessions that helped erode the Volk-Self-Consciousness to begin with.

    Stumm schweift der Blick übers weite Land
    Der Horizont steht in Flammen, die Erde ist verbrannt
    Was einst heilig und vollkommen, liegt nun tief vergraben
    Zerissen von der Zeit, den Würmern und den Schaben

    Marschiert dem Lichte entgegen, möge es führen, möge es segnen
    Heilig ist der Krieg, vergießt das Blut für den ewigen Sieg
    Geeint im Kampf, geeint im Leid, dem Teufel zum Trotz zum Sterben bereit
    Die heiligen Hallen stehen euch offen, ewiger Ruhm sei euch versprochen

    An ihren Taten sollt ihr erkennen, die Wahrheit liegt nah
    Auf ihren Trümmern soll entstehen was einst war.

    (Mavorim - Aasfresser - Geeint im Kampf)
    I'm not defending the existing system. It's ruined us. I agree with you there. We must challenge the system, and I think the best way to do that is through a new faith concept for us, instead of just political parties which always seem to get corrupted and/or sidelined via the Jews creating a "softer right wing" version of our parties, and calling the old version "nazis". Maybe my faith idea will get corrupted and sidelined as well, but whatever we do, we can never start seig heiling and raising the swastika banner, as it died a long time ago and is just used by our enemies to destroy us today. Thank you for the conversation.

    Deutsche Glaubensbewegung – German Wikipedia

    The aim of the German Faith Movement [Deutsche Glaubensbewegung (DG)] was to establish an official non-Christian community of faith with the same rights as existing Churches. [11] It was only permissible to be a member of the DG if one was not a member of another religious community (for taxation purposes).

    On April 26, 1935, the DG held an event in the Sportpalast in Berlin. According to Fritz Gericke, head of the regional community of Berlin and co-organizer, 18,000 participated!
    All the best velvet and all the best to everyone in this thread. I tried to say "Thank you" for everyone's replies. Everyone gets a thank you (participation is key).
    We need a reservation system for our people and our own ethnic-nationalist faith, where we'll have sermons about our people and nations, real history, science, philosophy, etc., in addition to our older religions. Throw in some open bar nights, comedy club hours, music and dance, etc., and it'll be a cracker barrel of good times lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Smithwick View Post
    Agreed.
    Diplomacy is our only option, and I think if we framed things better, Jews would listen. I think the Jews look at us as ridiculous because we don't actually organize ourselves as a faith community. Christianity is a Roman version of the Jews' messiah (you and I agree there). When our leaders say "we're Christian", we've already lost the game. We must create our own faith, and say: "This is who we are. This is where our people congregate. Our faith is 'faith in our people and nation' and we ask that you Jews stop attacking us, especially calling us Nazis." That's my strategy. That's my diplomacy.
    You're so naive Herr Smithwick. It doesnt work that way. Jews hate us, they hate "Amalek", like they hated the Persians, like they hated the Romans, like they hate every other people on this planet.

    Read it again what that Ignatius said. "Make no mistake about it, we are going to bash the dead white males, and the live ones too, and the white women until the social construct known as white race is destroyed."
    Or the other: "we Jews are the destroyers, and we will remain the destroyers because we want a world of our own".

    This hate is not due to Hitler, this is not due to the Kaiser, this is not even due to the "middle age antisemitism", it always was that way, ever since the invention of the Jewish people in the sands of Egypt. Diplomacy and groveling will not change a single bit on it.

    Read Markus Eli Ravage's pamphlets (they're on archive.org) "A real case against the Jews" and "A commissary to the Gentiles".
    This hate and despise is not sentiments of individual Jews, it's part of their religion (see Hannukah, Purim). They came to Rome in order to destroy it with christianity. Which became state religion in 380CE and in 476CE the Roman Empire ceased to exist. It wasnt "overrun by evil Pagans", as the twisted history tells it. It simply died from within, after the tribe had run all the propaganda we also know today: multikultism, decadence, childlessness, tolerance and all the other rubbish.


    That's because I never did. We slightly cared about the Poles, but not really. It was Jewish propaganda through our newspapers which said things like "Hitler wants to takeover the world, our countries, so 'we' must fight him." It was a lie. They also lied by omitting the circumstances of the Corridor Crisis in 1939: they didn't mention the 80K German refugees who poured across the border that summer, the tens of thousands sent to concentration camps in the Polish interior, their property nationalized or torched, the 200 murders of Germans, etc. Had average Brits known that, they'd have taken their arms to Churchill's house, tarred and feathered his fat drunken Jewish bribed ass (The Focus Group).
    You think so that the Brits had taken out Churchill? No they had not, regardless of whether they had known the truth or not. Otherwise no Roosevelt, no Churchill, no Thatcher, no Sarkozy or Macron or Merkel (etc pp) had ever even made it into office to begin with.

    As I said before, unless you have a charismatic leader that tells people to go the other way, away from (((types like this))), "the people" will do shit.


    If they were allowed to congregate, it would have been in very small numbers because:
    Hm, why do you care about a christian movement banned from public meetings? It's just another one of those who claimed access to "state support", when the state had made it beyond all doubt clear to seperate "state and religion", that NO religion was wanted within "state business".

    Ludendorff and his wife maintained a vibrant Heathen circle without ever being bothered by the state. But they also had got the message that this is not the time to claim "publicity" and "state recognition".


    No I just said that I didn't like how nationalist books like Spengler's were banned
    Spengler wasnt a nationalist, and he openly opposed Nationalsocialism, also refusing to cooperate with the state, even though Goebbels and others repeatedly tried to get him on board, offering him even good positions. He was a fascist, not a nationalist, he adored Mussolini's fascist (and philosemite) Italy, he also adored Strasser, who was stuck in the marxist line of thinking; as such, he was rather anti-German. Despite this his book were not banned. They were condemned, rightly so, and some authors busied themselves to write against them in newspapers etc, but they were not banned.

    You have to acknowledge that the history of Britain and France were such that we got rid of our divine right kings and queens. The French eradicated theirs during the French Revolution. The British depowered theirs over centuries. You guys got rid of yours after WWI, but then, you essentially recreated it under a different name "NS/Hitlerism". Spengler could see how this wouldn't sit well with the West, and be used by the Jews to blow the whole thing up in your faces, as the average British and Frenchman (and American) didn't want such a neighbor. We certainly didn't want to fight Germans over it; but the Jews invariably manipulated us into doing so.
    Oh sigh. Do you know what the French Revolution's first deed was after having beheaded the monarchy? Oh you guessed it maybe, they lifted all restrictions on Jews (property, business, religion) that had existed and "liberated" the Jews. It was just as much a Jewish Revolution like the Russian Revolution. The French Revolution had an aftermath revolution going through Europe (1848/50), exporting these "new values" everywhere.

    The "evil Kaiser" indeed reversed some of the revolutionary, destructive "values". WWI, as I tried to explain you before, was a regime-change planned by Britain, and the communist Weimar Republic basically was Bolshevism-lite. And oh vey, dem evil Dzermans again got rid off that nonsense and opted for Hitler.

    Unfortunately, the people in the West still dont get it.


    As for the Jews, I can be somewhat sympathetic to them, but not very sympathetic. The reason I'm sympathetic, is because the ancient Roman emperors and Monarchies were responsible for bringing the Jews into Europe in the first place. They brought them into Europe as part of the Christian system. So in a large way, it wasn't their fault they were in our countries. Hitler never addressed this point.
    Mostly because until then history was written by theologicans or even Popes, or "scholars" paid by the church, which held an iron grip on history. So, you have a "history" that is a fairy tale by and large, but is promoted, like "god", as an infallible truth. Hitler didnt address this point because he wouldnt know what really happened.

    Which Himmler quite certainly had changed fundamentally if his Ahnenerbe research and archeology had more time and dig out all the surviving documents telling the true story instead of a fairy tale. I'm quite certain, if Hitler had known that christianity was a coup to bring down the Roman Empire, he would have been not so naive as to try to "Germanise" it but had rooted it out with stump and stalk.


    Most of them obviously didn't want to go live in Palestine (Hitler's intention) then as now. Europe is nicer. So, I think if Hitler would have been slightly less antagonistic towards them, more diplomatic, they may have not used their newspapers and bribes to people like Churchill to manipulate us into destroying Germany. They could have been moved to a piece of Canada since we have so much land we don't use here, if Germans really couldn't stand having Jews around them anymore. I don't really like being around Jews either, but I also don't really like being around Christians, so ... all I want is my British Faith, moreover European Canadian Faith (British centric), and to be around my people.
    It wasnt Hitler's idea to send them to Palestine, but that of the Jews themselves. Hertzl promoted the idea of a Jewish homeland, like British Jews apparently also did in Britain and pushed Lord Balfour to the famous declaration, based on which Britain went and took Palestine as "protectorate" in 1923.

    NS Germany worked with the Jewish Agency of Hertzl to support Jews emigrating, mostly even on Germany's cost, to Palestine. Then Britain decided to limit (to ridiculous low numbers) the immigration into Palestine because they realised that this would mean bloodshed in epic proportions and they couldnt handle the occupied, disenfrenchised Palestinians who found themselves turned into "refugees" in their own land. The Jewish Agency, and with that, the cooperation with Hertzl, only ended then, when this anyway not-so-well-received plan among the Jews was faltered by the British total blockade, and they instead came up with the idea to bite just another piece out of Germany to establish a Jewish homeland here (today known as "Medinat Weimar").

    It was only after this that Jews were rounded up and brought into deportation camps, waiting for the British allowance to leave.

    Yes, we wanted to get rid off them. They were never invited, we throw them into wells and bogs for 1500 years now, and at some point they must learn that they are not welcome.


    Fair enough. We need our leadership model I think to be more "learned council of elders" i.e. have a dozen "great leaders" speaking on behalf of the people.
    So, essentially a technocracy?^^

    NS essentially ran on referendums. Many important decisions went through a referendum. NS was more "direct democracy" than western demoncrazy is today, where referendums only exist in Switzerland.


    I watched the British Nationalist Party dissolve because the leader, Nick Griffin, faltered in a few ways. We have stop that trend.
    The BNP was destroyed through a row of court decisions, like the one where (((they))) forced the party to take in non-Brits. And the rest was done by Griffin being abandoned by his audience for it.

    It is btw a catastrophy that no one listens to Griffin anymore. He's fighting for years to drag to light the truth about the EU-foundations and wake up the people. But the (((establishment))) successfully smeared him and former voters abandoned him.



    Well said. I think that's why the Russians have the system they do. Putin acts as a stabilizing force.
    In many ways, Putin is not so different from Hitler. Hated by everyone outside, loved on the inside.


    I'm not defending the existing system. It's ruined us. I agree with you there. We must challenge the system, and I think the best way to do that is through a new faith concept for us, instead of just political parties which always seem to get corrupted and/or sidelined via the Jews creating a "softer right wing" version of our parties, and calling the old version "nazis". Maybe my faith idea will get corrupted and sidelined as well, but whatever we do, we can never start seig heiling and raising the swastika banner, as it died a long time ago and is just used by our enemies to destroy us today. Thank you for the conversation.
    Yes, Canada waving the swastika flag would be weird. But if you let the ADL (of B'nai B'rith) define what symbols you're allowed to use and which not you will have no symbol at all or the six-pointed David star of the Jews and your twitter profile reads #IStandWithIsrael. The swastika is racist, the black sun is racist, all Runes are racist, the Celtic cross is racist, the Triskelion is racist, the Thor's Hammer is racist... and whatever you could invent goes next on the list.

    You must learn to tell them to shut up. Else you will not only be sidelined and corrupted, but eaten for breakfast and spit out again.
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    Fair enough in general velvet. Tremendous thanks for taking the time to respond (and praising Nick Griffin). I can only spend so much time on this, so I'll keep it quick.

    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    Spengler wasnt a nationalist, and he openly opposed Nationalsocialism, also refusing to cooperate with the state, even though Goebbels and others repeatedly tried to get him on board, offering him even good positions. He was a fascist, not a nationalist, he adored Mussolini's fascist (and philosemite) Italy, ....
    I think you're off about Spengler. Sure, he might have appreciated Mussolini's softer stance on the Jews because he didn't want to antagonize them so much. That doesn't mean he wasn't a German nationalist like most Germans were. Spengler only wanted the best for his country, and I again say that his letter to his friend in 1936 (shortly before his death) in which he predicted the downfall of the Third Reich due to its autocracy was quite on point. There were scores of politicians and celebrities who were praising the Third Reich, from Winston Churchill (at one point), to Loyld George, to Edward VIII, to our Canadian Prime Minister MacKenzie King. The trouble was the excesses of the Third Reich (overstepping the barriers the international community established i.e. invading West Prussia) that led to its downfall. We all know that. We all agree that WWII should not have happened. We should have helped Germany get its land bridge to East Prussia and sign the Anti-Comintern Pact. It was a sad chapter in our history.

    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    Hm, why do you care about a christian movement banned from public meetings?
    You're off about me referring to a Christian group that was banned from congregating. I was referring to the German Faith Movement:

    Deutsche Glaubensbewegung – German Wikipedia

    The aim of the German Faith Movement [Deutsche Glaubensbewegung (DG)] was to establish an official non-Christian community of faith with the same rights as existing Churches. [11] It was only permissible to be a member of the DG if one was not a member of another religious community (for taxation purposes).

    On April 26, 1935, the DG held an event in the Sportpalast in Berlin. According to Fritz Gericke, head of the regional community of Berlin and co-organizer, 18,000 participated; one of the main speakers was Hauer. [12] On the fringe of the rally there were arguments with groups of Christians present, during which, among other things, the future clergyman Siegbert Stehmann was beaten and hospitalized.

    After the event, tensions between the leadership of the DG, Hauer and Gericke on the one hand and their national socialist counterparts on the other, intensified (to note: Hauer and Gericke were not members of the NSDAP at this point).
    Volkslexicon Drittes Reich, by Ludwig Peters and published by Grabert-Verlag, Tübingen, 1998
    Deutsche Glaubensbewegung - Axis History Forum

    The German Faith movement was an attempt to bring together various religious groups and associations into an organization that would exercise religiosity in a purely German sense. The movement was founded on May 23, 1934 in Eisenach by J.W. Hauer, who was elected chairman.

    The movement rejected the Christian religion completely and began having manifold difficulties with the Nazi government one year later. As of 1935, the NS party prohibited members of the Hitler Youth and the SS from joining, and from 1937 onward, prohibited NSDAP members from joining. For these reasons, Hauer withdrew from the organization. The movement sank into insignificance thereafter.
    The Holy Reich: Nazi Conceptions of Christianity, 1919-1945, By Richard Steigmann-Gall, 2003, pp 151-152.

    The Deutsche Glaubensbewegung's (DG's) insistence that it was the religious expression of Nazism was not taken kindly in the NSDAP.

    [...]

    Finally, in August 1935, Heydrich forbade all rallies and other public meetings of the DG across the Reich.
    Deutsche Glaubensbewegung – German Wikipedia

    In February 1937 the lawyer Bernhard Wiedenhöft became
    "leader" of the German Faith Movement, which on 6 May 1938, upon being pressured by the NS, changed their name to "Kampfring Deutscher Glaube" (Struggle Ring of German Faith), so as not to sound as though they were attempting to compete with the NS "movement". In November 1938, Hauer rejected a leadership offer once again (to note: by this point, Hauer had become a member of the NSDAP).
    Herbert_Grabert - German Wikipedia

    After the suppression and subsequent collapse of the German Faith Movement, Grabert underwent an abrupt change. He became fully in service of the "Third Reich" and argued that no independent pagan religious communities were necessary outside of national socialism. Outside of the Nazi Party, there was no need for any independent religious community at all, since in his mind "national socialism sufficed in every respect." At the end of 1937, he was quoted by the Christian World and the Young Church as follows:

    "For us, as for countless Germans, National Socialism is the new faith that makes super confessional and ideological groups superfluous." [14]

    In 1939 Grabert joined the NSDAP (membership number 7,291,699). Grabert was occasionally financed and supported by the Alfred-Rosenberg-Foundation. [15]
    All the best velvet and take care. And all the best to all our folk and all other peoples on the planet.
    We need a reservation system for our people and our own ethnic-nationalist faith, where we'll have sermons about our people and nations, real history, science, philosophy, etc., in addition to our older religions. Throw in some open bar nights, comedy club hours, music and dance, etc., and it'll be a cracker barrel of good times lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Smithwick View Post
    As for the Jews, I can be somewhat sympathetic to them, but not very sympathetic. The reason I'm sympathetic, is because the ancient Roman emperors and Monarchies were responsible for bringing the Jews into Europe in the first place. They brought them into Europe as part of the Christian system. So in a large way, it wasn't their fault they were in our countries.
    The given reason for your "sympathy" is clearly misplaced, hogwash on the part of a pretender; you know nothing about what it really means to be an authentic philo-Semitic. Your philo-Semitism stems from an overtly hostile attitude towards Christianity rather than any real sympathy for Jews. Rather than actively combating sentimentality and prejudice, you deflect and shy away from the subject as if it were anathema.

    Anti-Semitism must be transvalued into it's rational/humanistic form, that's the only way to prevent it from producing the worst effects (pogroms).

    It's a stretch to pin the blame for Jewish influence in antiquity on the ancient Roman emperors, when it's known that Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius, and even Nero displayed contempt for Jewish and Egyptian rites while Hadrian and Titus are bitterly cursed in the Talmud.

    https://jayraskin.wordpress.com/2011/04/04/294/

    Tacitus illustrates how the Romans gradually delimited the Jewish influence in the world.
    https://semiticcontroversies.blogspo...-part-iii.html

    Before the ancient Roman emperors, only King Antiochus bore the distinction of standing up to them, for which he was severely demonized.

    We may further locate an origin for this massive wealth in the fact that the rulers of the Temple 'committed all the usual royal crimes' according to Tacitus, which obviously includes usuriously taxing their subjects to the point of death in order to fill their coffers. Also Judea; in spite of Josephus' outright denial of the mercantile nature of his people, sits next to the major trading sea ports of the East in Syria and the Lebanon, in which we have early references to jewish merchants and money lenders operating.
    In Philostratus' Life of Apollonius, a statement regarding the Jewish question is ascribed to Euphrates the Stoic:

    For the Jews have long been in revolt not only against the Romans, but against humanity; and a race that has made its own a life apart and irreconcilable, that cannot share with the rest of mankind in the pleasures of the table nor join in their libations or prayers or sacrifices, are separated from ourselves by a greater gulf than divides us from Susa or Bactra or the more distant Indies. What sense then or reason was there in chastising them for revolting from us, whom we had better have never annexed?
    In the writings of antiquity, distinctions were seldom drawn between Jews and Chaldeans, Phoenicians, Egyptians, etc. The Jews borrowed from every conceivable civilization they came into contact with and were assimilated to such an extent that they were almost indistinguishable from their neighbors. How were the Romans, who had afaik previously never made any substantial contact with the Jews (outside of trading, perhaps having only heard about them through rumours), supposed to single them out at that point?

    It's worth noting that the Arabs with great foresight readily threw their doors open to the early Roman conquerors while the Jews vainly resisted.

    Both Julian and Luther have called out the Jews for exaggerating the circumstances of their "captivity".

    Quote Originally Posted by John Smithwick View Post
    Hitler never addressed this point.
    "The reason I'm sympathetic, is because" the fascists, monarchists, and Nazi Christians were responsible for fostering the Jewish influence in Europe in the first place, we democratic Brits wanted nothing to do with it.

    https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Adolf..._January_1939)
    I would like to say the following on the Jewish question: it is truly a shaming display when we see today the entire democratic world filled with tears of pity at the plight of the poor, tortured Jewish people, while remaining hardhearted and obstinate in view of what is therefore its obvious duty: to help. All the arguments with which they seek to justify their non-intervention lend only further support to the stance of Germans and Italians in this matter.
    For this is what they say: "We"—that is the democracies—"cannot possibly admit the Jews!" And this those world powers claim who can boast no more than ten persons per square kilometer while we must accommodate and feed 135 persons per square kilometer.
    Then follow assurances: "We cannot take them unless they receive a certain monetary contribution from Germany to facilitate immigration." Small matter that Germany has already been good enough to provide for these elements for centuries, who possessed little more than infectious political and sanitary diseases.


    Quote Originally Posted by Idis View Post
    Well, this white person disagrees, and to say something like this is not only grossly generalizing but also scapegoating Jews as some universal evil, which is no way better than those people who tar whites with the same brush, making them collectively responsible for all evils, when in reality both groups are quite divided.
    Just like you have liberals and conservatives among whites, you also have right-wing, Zionist, conservative, religious Jews, and you have left-wing, liberal, secular Jews, not to mention everything in between. You even have Holocaust revisionist, pro-Hitler Jews. Oftentimes, many of those who preach anti-white hatred are whites themselves.
    Left/right, liberal/Zionist, secular/religious, etc. is a false paradigm. And not only for Jews, but for all races and nations. These are all meaningless distinctions. In this world, there are only reactionaries and revolutionaries. At present, the only two sects on the planet which really care about change and education are: NS and Communism. All the other sects are like chaff, nothing more than ideologies to be trampled upon in the struggle.

    As for Holocaust revisionist/pro-Hitler Jews, the white nationalists are blindsided on this matter. They prop up whoever speaks for Hitler, regardless of their motives.

    Israel Shahak and Norman Finkelstein, are typical liberal types who shun all forms of racialism. Roger Dommergue and Josef Ginsburg advised fellow Jews (especially Zionists) to dial down their hostilities, as they were concerned about them drawing attention towards Judaism. Lasse Wilhelmson plays the Nazi/Zionist comparison card, as does Schlomo Sand and Paul Eisen. Each disclaim their Jewishness.
    Finklestein called out Shamir for fabricating his history. Fellow anti-Israeli Jew Norton Mezvinsky indicted Gilad Atzmon for delighting in being provocative. David Cole likewise matches this description. It's typical for nihilists like Nietzsche (despite his merits) and the Russian founder of anarchism to put forth their ideas for shock value and attention. Atzmon boasted of being a self-hating Jew, citing Otto Weininger as his model. That is incorrect. OW basically said that self-hatred amounted to projection. They imagine themselves free of their defects by transferring it onto others. What they see in others they first see in themselves.

    Disregarding Eduard Bloch's apparently self-serving statements (he used the word "edeljude", which a German acquaintance of mine in my early anti-Semitic days pointed out was also employed by Coudenhove-Kalergi), the only Jew who was without a doubt acknowledged by Hitler was Otto Weininger, while the Jews who merely refrained from doing injury to the national idea were rightly declared neutrals who sided with the enemy. Hitler said in the Table Talk (Dec. 1-2, 1941) that "none of them has entered into conflict with his co-racialists in order to defend the German idea against them", but for reasons of opportunism and gain-sake.

    https://books.google.com/books?id=GC...ninger&f=false

    According to Otto Weininger, the Jewish question can only be resolved individually. Every Jew must resolve it in himself first, before it can be addressed collectively. This goes against the overall natural transition towards group effort and teamwork, but the Jews must be regarded as an exceptional case. Their combined racial instinct and wavelength is too overwhelming. When too many Jews congregate in a movement/organization, the massacres witnessed in the reign of Trajan is the result.

    This philosophy of resolving one's internal affairs first is in accord with the 25 points program (the Jew "within and without"). OW was also ardently anti-Zionist. The support for OW's arguments from Dietrich Eckart (documented by Alfred Rosenberg) and Hitler disproves that NS was pro-Zionist.

    Collective movements like Psychosynthesis cannot bring about a resolution, they only risk subversion by Zionist provocateurs. Only Jewish individuals who meet certain qualifications are in a position to effect changes. At the moment, I can name at least 10 of them (according to Richard Wagner, Berthold Auerbach was one of them, although he later succumbed to his instinct due to his fixation on the JQ), but I know only one Jew who has claimed instinctive sympathy for Hitler in his youth: Gerard Menuhin.

    My proposal - the first step towards resolving the Jewish question - is simple: a new pantheon of great Jews to replace the current one. Jews who actually merit the lavish praise that has been withheld from them. At present, the "great" Jews are hailed for their wealthy generations (Rothschilds), for their racial consciousness (Disraeli and Herzl), for borrowing and popularizing ideas (i.e. Spinoza, Einstein, Marx, Freud), and for perpetuating mass-murder (Joshua, Samson, Mordecai, various rebel leaders and insurgents). I wish to document Jewish individuals who thoroughly defied their Jewishness and set an example for Jews to follow. Obviously, these individuals are not a merit of the "nation" (Israel) and cannot be propped up as a representation of all Jews.

    Anyone who hasn't arrived at this conclusion, in addition to studying the works of Nietzsche and Julian, has no right to call himself a philo-Semite.

    They are merely pretenders angling for the right to participate in this serious debate. Or they can be branded as anti-patriotic traitors and subversives. The resolution to the conflict between anti-Semitism and philo-Semitism is only discovered in a higher synthesis of these philosophies.

    I will also answer my own earlier query. Which is the greater menace in the long run: Rothschild bankers or Zionist dreamers?

    The latter. The former appears to be chiefly a product of instinct, due to being thoroughly racially mixed and centuries of inbreeding. With them, it cannot be helped. The latter, which often consists of "pure" Jews, serve as an antithesis to Aryan religious founders. The Zionist leadership understands the Jewish nature and possibly the significance of their role in nature, but chooses to continue in it. With them, it's not purely instinctive. Political planners are always underestimated. The harm they can do if they are not thwarted in their lifetime is greater than a typical politician like Merkel. Theodor Herzl boasted of being a Jew of the spirit. What did Nietzsche say about people who identified as aristocrats of the intellect? (in The Will to Power)

    Herzl's methods differed from the wealthy Jews, but he was always thinking of the bigger picture. He successfully established a system which would forestall the Jewish collapse for centuries.

    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    Diplomacy and groveling will not change a single bit on it.
    Correct. https://semiticcontroversies.blogspo...doesn%27t+work

    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    Read Markus Eli Ravage's pamphlets (they're on archive.org) "A real case against the Jews" and "A commissary to the Gentiles".
    I wouldn't advise invoking Ravage.

    http://semiticcontroversies.blogspot...li-ravage.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terminus View Post
    I would advise everyone to read Ravage, actually specially christians, because he writes down the full "glory" of the hate, despise, disgust they have for us, that other Jews try to hide, but still have inside them.

    "We made you the willing and unconscious bearers of our mission to the whole world, to the barbarous races of the earth, to the countless unborn generations. Without fully understanding what we were doing to you, you became the agents at large of our racial tradition, carrying our gospel to the unexplored ends of the earth. Our tribal customs have become the core of your moral code. Our tribal laws have furnished the basic groundwork of your august constitutions and legal systems. Our poets fill your hymnals and your prayer-books. Our national history has become an indispensable part of the learning of your pastors and priests and scholars. Our kings, our statesmen, our prophets, our warriors are your heroes. Our ancient little country is your Holy Land.
    Our national literature is your Holy Bible. What our people tought has become inextricably woven into your very speech and tradition, until no one among you can be called educated who is not familiar with our racial heritage.
    Jewish artisans and Jewish fishermen are your teachers and your saints, with countless statues carved in their image and innumerable cathedrals raised to their memories. A Jewish maiden is your ideal of motherhood and womanhood. A Jewish rebel prophet is the central figure in your religious worship. We have pulled down your idols, cast aside your racial inheritance, and substituted for them our God and our Traditions. No conquest in history can even remotely compare with this clean sweep of our conquest over you.
    "
    "A real case against the Jews"

    If you worship your enemy, you are defeated.
    If you adopt your enemy's religion, you are enslaved.
    If you breed with your enemy, you are destroyed.

    And Karl Marx:
    "Only under the guidance of Christianity, which forms all national, natural, moral, theoretical relations of man, could the bourgoisie (civil) society seperate itself completely from the polity, all heritage and racial bonds be cut, egoism replaced these heritage and racial bonds, could the world of humans dissolve into atomistic individuals, standing hostile to each other.
    Christianity sprang from Judaism, it also dissolved back into Judaism. Christianity overcame the real Judaism only to the sham. Christianity is the common thought of Judaism, Judaism is the common use of Christianity; but this use could only become common after Christianity had completed the alienation of man from the self and from nature with its theoretical foundations.
    "

    The Jewish question is a purely racial one, like the question of migration in general is a purely racial one. It's of no relevance what religion they have; if they are racially foreign, they must go. It's quite that simple. And there are no "German-Jews" or "American-Jews", "British-Jews", "Chinese-Jews" or "Indian-Jews", there are only Jews. They're distinct race of their own, genetics prove that beyond any doubt.

    That we have allowed them to corrupt our being, our souls and our thinking through "adoption" of their religion and heritage, no longer look at ourselves but view everything through their lense, is really the sickness of humanity. We must stamp out the Jewish Spirit from our people, from our lands, from our souls and from our religions and cults, otherwise we will lose the struggle of life.

    Himmler:
    "We must overcome christianity".
    Ein Leben ist nichts, deine Sprosse sind alles
    Aller Sturm nimmt nichts, weil dein Wurzelgriff zu stark ist
    und endet meine Frist, weiss ich dass du noch da bist
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    I'll do this last reply and then I'm done . Terminus I try to be as objective as possible, and as brief/concise, so as to avoid hemorrhaging time and words (but you've forced my hand to become wordy).
    Quote Originally Posted by Terminus View Post
    The given reason for your "sympathy" is clearly misplaced, hogwash on the part of a pretender; you know nothing about what it really means to be an authentic philo-Semitic.
    Lol, I find it odd that someone with "Hitlerism" as his religion talks about authentic philo-Semitism and real sympathy for Jews, but to each his own ; in any case, my position:

    Am I an "authentic Philo-Semitic" aka do I "truly like Jews"? Lol, sure I admire their comprehensive system (faith, nation, culture and people), and yes, I can "truly like" Jews especially when they're friendly towards us and not subverting what we desire. Our goal IMO should be to try to gain their sympathy and trust so that we work together for our common interests; moreover, since I believe they have most their bases covered today, and IMO, we don't even have bases anymore, they'll hopefully help us get some lol, so we can cover them lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by Terminus View Post
    Your philo-Semitism stems from an overtly hostile attitude towards Christianity rather than any real sympathy for Jews. Rather than actively combating sentimentality and prejudice, you deflect and shy away from the subject as if it were anathema.
    Lol, look Terminus since my family has been Christian for 1000+ years, it's not as though I view the thing as something that I can't work with and celebrate to some degree. My intent is to use the buildings (i.e. the Church of England) as congregation centers once again for our people (if possible, if not we'll go elsewhere) - we'll discuss and, to a degree, celebrate Christianity, but also discuss and celebrate other things like our people and nation, our old paganism, our culture, etc. I don't see why that's such a big request from the Anglicans/Monarchy, and hopefully Jews will not attack us for it. And so now for your second point: I have no prejudice against Jews Terminus; and yes, I can and do have real sympathy for them. As someone whose religion is Hitlerism, I hope this warms you. lol :-)

    And so now for your third point, while I'm not paid to do this, let me fully express my feelings about them and their recent history with us (as an anonymous pretend academic, pretend politician, and pretend clergyman living in a fantasy, as my faith and system doesn't exist yet in any other form lol). I would not want others to think I shy away from the subject as if it were an anathema Terminus. lol

    I sympathize with Jews when the majority of White gentiles behave irrationally towards them or remain oblivious to their plight, especially given how we've been practicing a form of their religion for 1000-1700 years. There's no better example of that than WWII.

    While I've talked about how Jews manipulated us into the war, it's not as though many Anglos didn't desire the war for no other reason than their irrational fear/hatred of Germans, 'the Krauts'. These Anglos hated Germans out of anger for WWI (wanting them to remain submissive); jealousy - they feared them for their equal/superior ability to invent things; they didn't like their autocracy; they found the sound of their language too harsh, beastial sounding almost; a greater proportion of them were also better looking; etc. Jews played little to no factor in this aspect of Anglo decision making/hatred, regardless of them affecting our consciousness through their newspapers and pulling strings behind the scenes.

    These Anglos, aka the elite who were the ultimate power brokers, were totally indifferent to the requests of Jews to escape Europe both before and during the war (there was no increase in refugee quotas, and ships like the St Louis were turned away at gun point), and we had no problem bombing the concentration camps and their supply routes, when needed (not that any non-elite average Anglo person had any control over anything about the war, nor even wanted the war to begin with).

    Thus the Jews weren't as super-powerful in our countries then as some would believe, because if they were, we would have allowed more of them refuge from Europe.

    Their hostility towards us is thus quite understandable; especially given that, again, we've been following a version of their religion for the past 1000-1700 years - they probably thought we'd be more sympathetic. They hate the form of Christian who hates them irrationally as part of the religion; and they hate the form of secular racial nationalist who views them as alien and ugly, and just wants them gone for that reason. This is all quite understandable. I sympathize with them for these reasons.

    Quote Originally Posted by Terminus View Post
    Anti-Semitism must be transvalued into it's rational/humanistic form, that's the only way to prevent it from producing the worst effects (pogroms).
    Sure. Yes. I agree.

    Quote Originally Posted by Terminus View Post
    It's a stretch to pin the blame for Jewish influence in antiquity on the ancient Roman emperors, when it's known that Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius, and even Nero displayed contempt for Jewish rites while Hadrian and Titus are bitterly cursed in the Talmud.
    So, if you haven't yet watched the one hour documentary called "Caesar's Messiah", please do: https://caesarsmessiahdoc.com/


    A one sentence summary: Christianity was created during the First Roman Jewish War by the Roman government as a psych-op program/new religion to pacify the Jews.

    That's it. That's all. I am not interested in further discussion about that idea. I don't have the time and I can't stand the "waxing on" ad infinitum about the subject. I believe in the Caesar's Messiah thesis.

    The second main point to take away from the documentary: the religion, Christianity, was originally only intended for Jews. It was illegal for Christians to be in Europe until Emperor Constantine decided to change that law in 313 CE (Edict of Milan). By 380 CE, Rome made it the only legal religion (Eddict of Thessalonica) for us (of course, Judaism was also legal - the group the Roman emperors (and later Monarchs) permitted to act as their default banking system).

    Quote Originally Posted by Terminus View Post
    "The reason I'm sympathetic, is because" the fascists, monarchists, and Nazi Christians were responsible for fostering the Jewish influence in Europe in the first place, we democratic Brits wanted nothing to do with it.

    https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Adolf..._January_1939)

    Hitler (Jan 30, 1939): "I would like to say the following on the Jewish question: it is truly a shaming display when we see today the entire democratic world filled with tears of pity at the plight of the poor, tortured Jewish people, while remaining hardhearted and obstinate in view of what is therefore its obvious duty: to help."
    Yes I agree with you, we democratic Brits/Anglos wanted the Jewish issue to remain a very low priority (moreover, we just wanted the status quo to remain unchanged), not highlighted and exacerbated into some emergency/crisis, that would somehow evolve into us getting into an apocalyptic war over the issue of said Jews and a need for their homeland.

    And yes, Hitler wanted us to take-in Germany's Jews, and we didn't (I'm surprised Churchill didn't arrange that); and he wanted us to sign an alliance with him against the Soviet Union because he felt it was a monster that was largely created and run by Jews (and he was largely correct in that respect); and he was largely correct in pointing out that the Communist bodies in Europe were often, again, started and run by Jews, which is why he and most Germans wanted them out.

    And we didn't help him/them. We could have and should have helped Germans with that situation, but we hated the idea of partnering with a new age divine right king (under a new name (NS/Hitlerlism)), and thus everything fell apart. This was Germany's fatal error - really, all they had to do was transition the Hitler autocracy into a one-party nationalist democracy and stop requesting/demanding everything back taken after WWI, and stop being so antagonistic towards the Jews. But they didn't do that, and the Jews and war lovers exploited this weakness and manipulated us into having a war via bribing people like Winston Churchill to become more antagonistic, while simultaneously triggering a German minority refugee crisis in Poland (of course, Poles were also responsible), that would cause Hitler to react, and bring the whole house of cards down; before we could properly negotiate with Germany to have a more congenial form of government that we could partner with.

    This was the ultimate tragedy.

    The Jews wanted everything so quickly. They wanted their country back now. They thought we were going to remain too complacent on that issue, and perhaps we would have been. We wanted them to just relax lol, and live comfortably in our countries, forgetting the dream of changing Palestine back into Judea.

    Again, what's not said is that most British had no mind/no-take about this issue then, nor a voice even if they did. We were victims of our (((plutocratic))) democracy. Average Germans didn't have a voice either because Hitler made his voice their only voice.

    Also, WWII happened not just because of (((strings))) being pulled, British supremacist leanings/mindlessness, and the Hitler autocracy situation being stupid, but because I think people were particularly bored back then (without good TV and the internet), and again, all sides wanted everything so quickly (Germans - their territory; Jews - Israel (and a catalyst to bring it about); we wanting Germans to remain submissive).

    Can they (the Jews) be forgiven for pulling strings to bring about WWII? Sure, yes, that was 80 years ago. Can they forgive us for not increasing the Jewish refugee quotas and bringing about a situation where our bombing campaigns and German rage resulted in the mass elimination of their numbers (either via sending them East into the Soviet Union, starving to death and dying of disease in camps, or their direct elimination through shooting and gassing, etc - the Holocaust as it's termed)?

    Well, Jews alive today, can you? Lol. I know most of your elite haven't but given it was 80 years ago, hopefully we can look to the future, and you can relax your media campaign against anything nationalist, especially British nationalist. Regarding Germans and the Holocaust, would you please present all the factors that led to the situation, relax the Thought Laws in Europe, perhaps conduct a scientific audit to verify the numbers (I know that's asking a lot), instead of just saying: the Germans/Nazis hated us for no other reason than hatred - they killed 6 million of us.

    Lol. It's sort of ridiculous for someone to say: "sorry for all that"'; obviously it will take the British government and Monarchy to issue that apology for it to mean anything (if they haven't already). And sorry, by the way, for Rome eliminating your country 2000 years ago and creating a religion out of the affair. It would obviously take an apology from the Italian government and Vatican for that to mean anything.

    So there it is Terminus, a full mea culpa as a British descendant. Please don't respond unless it's an extremely urgent question/criticism as I don't have time for more.

    Anyways, now that it's nearly the year 2020, where do we go from here?

    We British and Germans are at risk of watching everything about us disappear, in a tide of indifference, in a situation where we never congregate to discuss our issues and form community to solve said issues.

    That's why I'm hoping Skadi exists. That's why I'm also hoping that we can erect some kind of new communal system through (while it sounds lame), a British and German faith, respectively. That's what I've been attempting to accomplish and promote here:

    https://forums.skadi.net/threads/183...ionalist-Faith

    Obviously, the idea would be to get the British and German governments to create it - mainly the British to start, since the Germans are largely powerless. They created what would have worked (the German Faith Movement) 85 years ago, but Hitlerism/Ns ruined it, plus it made the mistake of being too anti-Christian.

    Okay, clear now? This hobby has preoccupied me too much. Never a penny of pay; I pay out to our groups, and I'm exhausted from it (this will be my last post). I'm done with zie cause. I'm sick of seeing so many organizations and political parties come and go without putting forward this simple idea of "the British Faith", "the German Faith", etc. We're retarded in this respect IMO.

    Oh, and in case you were worried Terminus, we, of the "British Faith", view Israel/Judea's return as not only justified in terms of granting our Hebrew friends their national home again (to make up for the Romans eliminating it; and we practicing a form of their religion for the past 1350 years), but we view it as useful for clearing up our peoples' conception of reality (with Israel/Judea back, it shows people today that no supernatural events have happened (nor likely ever did), and that both religions were obviously man made (creations); and so, transitioning to a secular national folk faith is the direction we should travel now). Plus with Israel there, it serves as a hub for our business in the Middle East.

    Britain and Germany should always have been partnered better since the onset of the crystallization of our nations, as we are largely the same people, with the English language largely stemming from German.

    And so let us bring about our peoples' awakening today, by having a faith which does this job for us:

    https://forums.skadi.net/threads/183...ionalist-Faith

    Thus ends another wall of text. Been nice talking to all. Sadly, the above simply expresses what is common sense (IMO) and should have always been said and been the policy of our governments. Will anything come from it? Probably not as no one seems to care. Our rich moguls like Musk and Bezos want to go to Mars; Buffet and Gates want to help Africa. It seems more likely that any help we receive might come from rich Jews (please help Jews ). I again plead (as usual) that Her Majesty's government puts this plan into action. Goodbye and take care.
    We need a reservation system for our people and our own ethnic-nationalist faith, where we'll have sermons about our people and nations, real history, science, philosophy, etc., in addition to our older religions. Throw in some open bar nights, comedy club hours, music and dance, etc., and it'll be a cracker barrel of good times lol.

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    That whole wall of text above basically boils down to saying: "I's don'ts goes to church, and I's never will, unless they changes it." Lol.
    Goodbye and take care lol.
    We need a reservation system for our people and our own ethnic-nationalist faith, where we'll have sermons about our people and nations, real history, science, philosophy, etc., in addition to our older religions. Throw in some open bar nights, comedy club hours, music and dance, etc., and it'll be a cracker barrel of good times lol.

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    And we didn't help him/them. We could have and should have helped Germans with that situation, but we hated the idea of partnering with a new age divine right king.........

    I again plead (as usual) that Her Majesty's government puts this plan into action.
    Da IRONY!!! lol

    You can do the research yourself, but you should be aware that 1) "Her Majesty" is the head of the hydra of 12 "Satanic Bloodlines" (Freemasonry, maybe ask Chlod for details) and that 2) ALL the Lords and Ladies, Boris Johnson, David Cameron etc pp are of that same bloodline like your "new age divine right queen".

    While this nonsense is being pulled constantly against Hitler, it's again (and in almost all cases of the war propaganda fairy tales) PROJECTION of what Britain, France, the US, the Commonwealth nations etc did for centuries and only touches very remotely on the actual reality. Your parliament is a joke, it's a literal clown show, as your precious Britain is owned by Jews since 1684 (!) (in addition to the "Satanic Bloodlines" going through the monarchy from times immemorial already), like the US is owned by Jewish bankers since 1913, and your queen sits on the throne through literal "divine right" (ie the pope) while the Kaiser and Hitler were the exact opposite of "divine right".

    And people worship Hitler because he gave them something to believe in.

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    Lol, one of my Dad's friends worked for Jacob Rothschild and his son Nathan. He was a bar manager for one their main bars. They never talked about politics or religion, but he said that, they were regular guys that just liked drinking and eating (the latter, often as simple as kraft dinner and ketchup), and always took the time to introduce him to their friends. At times, he'd walk with them around their estate as they'd be showing him the latest in terms of maintenance (they don't like actually owning the estates as it's just sortof an expensive pain in the ass).

    I think these elite Jews and the Monarchs, they're regular people who just don't care about out the idea of "an ethnocentric hub for British or German descendants." We don't help our situation by presenting oddly theories, or desires to bring back the Third Reich. It looks absurd from their perspective. They can be reasoned with, and they might sympathize and try to do something along the lines I'm suggesting, someday, hopefully. Whether that will do any good for us or not is questionable; it depends on whether we behave ourselves I imagine.

    Lol, velvet, I think you'd get further by just chillaxing the Third Reich promotionary stuff; as Germany lost; the Americans/Jews essentially run your secret service and army still today lol. We're not going to get anywhere by trying to bring it back lol.
    We need a reservation system for our people and our own ethnic-nationalist faith, where we'll have sermons about our people and nations, real history, science, philosophy, etc., in addition to our older religions. Throw in some open bar nights, comedy club hours, music and dance, etc., and it'll be a cracker barrel of good times lol.

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