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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyrd View Post
    I think we should clarify what kind of "pan" subset we are talking about here first. All pan ideologies don't belong under the same category, for example pan-Europeanism vs. pan-Germanicism.

    Speaking for myself, I am not a nationalist in the extreme sense, rather pan-Germanic. The way I see it, extreme nationalism (chauvinist and the like, sowing hatred towards other, especially kindred nations, like NS was) can be incompatible with the idea of a wider Germanic consciousness. A Germanic consciousness implies having strong ties with other Germanic nations and recognizing a brotherhood with them, even if not necessarily politically manifested.
    "Sowing hatred"? What?

    Yes, the NS focus was on German (Germanic) nations, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Netherlands, Austria, but we were even friends with Finland, or Slovakia.

    Himmler had personally ordered the regional commissars in Ukraine and other eastern occupied regions to treat the people well. Unfortunately not everyone sticked to that order (Erich Koch, a christian, who made it his hobby to randomly shoot on children there).

    There's a Hitler speech where he said that once there even may be peace with Russia (once the Bolshevics are gone, of course). Hitler admired the British Empire, that's why he let go the invasion army of like 40k British soldiers, who came back of course due to his rather naive "love", which was not mutual at all. And he had pity for the downbread, decadent, once-upon-a-time Germanic Americans.

    Sowing hatred?!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    JUDEA declared WAR on Germany in 1933, (((THEY))) declared a "holy war on extermination" on Germany, and renewed this declaration of war in 37. It was only after the 37 declaration that actual "reprisals" against Jews (ie, bringing them to DEPORTATION camps from 39 onwards) came about.
    What did actually 'Judea' entail in that context and at that point of time? I've seen the newspaper excerpt, but haven't quite understood what is being referred to by 'Judea' - a rigid organization of Jews; some group of Jewish religious leaders; the Jews in the old Roman province of Judea in the Levant; or something else altogether?
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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    There's a Hitler speech where he said that once there even may be peace with Russia (once the Bolshevics are gone, of course). Hitler admired the British Empire, that's why he let go the invasion army of like 40k British soldiers, who came back of course due to his rather naive "love", which was not mutual at all. And he had pity for the downbread, decadent, once-upon-a-time Germanic Americans.

    Sowing hatred?!?
    On this note, there is much to be said, but perhaps on a different thread. Hitler viewed the British (in part erroneously) as Germanic. Even more ridiculous, he imagined that the globalist/progressive elites in the UK somehow sympathized with his nationalism and anti-Jew policies. The truth is that the media in the UK, the political class and to a lesser extent the British people were on a completely different page as Hitler and they had nothing in common whatsoever.

    It made a lot more sense to look for an alliance with the Soviets, which wanted to be a part of the Axis until the very end.

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    Velvet, my intent is not to aggravate yourself and someone like Terminus. It's simply to exchange ideas and get everyone to be a bit more down to earth so that we as a people become stronger and more strategic.
    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    We have quite some threads about this here on Skadi, please, for the love of the gods, inform yourself about the reality of the "militant" claim. We had less army personell and equipment than fckn tiny Belgium!
    By that, I meant things like the NS politicians wearing military uniforms often (including at events like the Munich Conference), and of course, things like invading West Prussia.
    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    For some reason it is continually and willfully ignored that the actual "religious" promotion in the Third Reich was Volk and Nation. It was neither christian nor pagan, it had kicked out ALL "cultish" stuff from public life.
    Although one could argue that all symbolism was in fact pagan, not christian, and there were enough pagans within the movement to give it a strong pagan flavour, while they had ordered all public schools and offices to REMOVE christian symbols.

    They were indeed trying to create a new faith, and yes I agree it was unfortunate, and stupid, to try to not offend the christards, which was not honoured. The churches and the christian-flavoured parties (Centrums Partei, today CDU) sided with the communists against them.
    Well said again. My point is simply that they should have created the German Faith as a distinct entity.
    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    WHAT?
    Again, we have enough material here on this site where you can inform yourself about the FACTS, in contrast to the propaganda bullshit you're repeating from the (((history books))).

    JUDEA declared WAR on Germany in 1933, (((THEY))) declared a "holy war on extermination" on Germany, and renewed this declaration of war in 37. It was only after the 37 declaration that actual "reprisals" against Jews (ie, bringing them to DEPORTATION camps from 39 onwards) came about.

    The Balfour declaration was pinned down in 1923.

    Learn some fckn real history please. Seriously.
    I'm aware of that. My point is that the NS shouldn't have escalated in terms of antagonizing them, as they were a beast largely in control of the Anglosphere countries and the Soviets. Thus, the insanity of getting into a war against such an entity speaks volumes in terms of poor strategy.
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    NOT ONCE Hitler or NS ever mentioned Madagascar. Do you know where this fairy tale even comes from? No you dont, because you only read the fairytale books that go for "history" these days and repeat endlessly this war propaganda, without ever questioning the bullshit you're told.
    I never said Hitler said it. It was a lighthearted statement; I put the word Palestine first. I realize the NS went with Palestine:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement
    Adolf Hitler - Founder of Israel (Amazon Books)

    It was other people who floated the idea of Madagascar:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar_Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    You dont get it, dont you? They wont help you. They are hating you with a passion and nothing you can do or say will ever change that. Your disgusting groveling makes them laugh about you.


    There's one simple rule for all white people: with Jews you lose.
    Keep them away from you as far as possible, dont let them into your work, into your thoughts, into your life. NEVER!
    I was just trying to be humorous and lighten the mood. The trouble with your existing perspective is that you begin demonstrating the form of one-dimensional non-easygoingness, humorlessness, and obstinacy that plagued the NS regime that was the very reason negotiations fell apart.

    WWII is over today velvet. Let's lighten up and try and be a bit more nice, jovial and amicable.

    I believe that if (((they))) see we're reasonable, they might, keyword might, toss us a bone.

    Now, let's address the point you omitted in my post you quoted from:

    Quote Originally Posted by John Smithwick View Post
    (((They))) were undoubtedly funding militias in Poland to begin the German refugee crisis in the summer of 1939. Hitler took the bait - sad, but reality.
    I said the same thing to Terminus:
    Quote Originally Posted by John Smithwick View Post
    In hindsight, Hitler may as well have been a Jewish martyr, giving them everything they wanted. It's called strategy, and they ran circles around him. They helped organize the terrorism against the German minorities in Poland in the summer of 1939, while bribing and pressuring the leaders of Britain and France (via threatening to withhold U.S. loan and arms contracts) to sign the blank cheques to Poland. Hitler took the bait, fell for the trap, and the rest is history.
    I originally worded it: "Hitler took the bait like a moron, fell for the trap, and the rest is history", but I didn't want to be rude; however, perhaps it's needed for emphasis, so the point is internalized.

    NS Germany tied everything into that one guy, and lost everything through that one guy. All that people like me are looking for is to see you acknowledge that the idea of having a "Saviour" "Messiah" figure as a leader was a colossal mistake. He made NS Germany; but he also ruined NS Germany.

    All the best. I love you velvet. Happy holidays, cheers and prost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Žoreišar View Post
    What did actually 'Judea' entail in that context and at that point of time? I've seen the newspaper excerpt, but haven't quite understood what is being referred to by 'Judea' - a rigid organization of Jews; some group of Jewish religious leaders; the Jews in the old Roman province of Judea in the Levant; or something else altogether?
    It actually refers to the Anti-Nazi boycott of 1933, a protest initially started by some British Jews as a response to rising anti-Semitism in NS Germany. It's not a literal declaration of war. "Declares war" was the wording chosen by the newspaper Daily Express, which published catchy titles, just like some media outlets - such as the Daily Mail, or even Infowars do today. NS propaganda of the time portrayed the boycott as an act of aggression, so they probably thought "declares war" would be a title that attracts readers' attention. The NS themselves used sensationalist language, for example Goebbels warned that "the boycott will be resumed... until German Jewry has been annihilated".

    Metabunk has a thread about it:

    Debunked: media headline "Judea declares war on Germany" [boycott]

    The economic boycott was not unanimous among Jews, as international Jewry was stateless, scattered, and not as organized during the 1930s as it is today. Those in Germany for example initially supported the NS. Prominent Jewish organizations like the Central Jewish Association of Germany and the Association of German National Jews, as well as influent Jewish business owners wrote letters asking for the boycott efforts to be dropped. Zionist Jews signed the Haavara Agreement, which essentially negated the effects of the boycott. Not to mention that a boycott of German goods by German-residing Jews and Jews who were German citizens would have been difficult.

    Representatives of Jewish groups abroad (the American Jewish Committee, American Jewish Congress and B'nai B'rith), while establishing a joint committee to monitor the situation of German Jewry, were in agreement that further public protests might be counterproductive and even worsen their situation, so they agreed to keep a watchful eye for the time being. There was also a well attended meeting of British Jews in London at time where they rejected a call for an organized boycott.

    There was a similar article in 1938 that referred to a "financial war":

    “INTERNATIONAL JEWRY – Financial War Planned Against Anti-Semitic States £500,000,000 Fund to be Raised

    ‘Jewry, faced with persecution in Poland, Rumania, Germany, Austria, and elsewhere, intends to hit back,’ says the ‘Sunday Chronicle,’ according to a cable dated London, January 2.

    ‘The battle will be fought on the world’s stock exchanges. Most of the anti-Semitic States are burdened with debts, and they may find their very existence threatened.

    ‘The leaders of international Jewry will meet in a village near Geneva this week to plan a fund of £500,000, 000 with which to fight the persecutors of Jewish financiers in all parts of the world.

    ‘No difficulty is expected in raising such a fund, which, combined with a trade boycott, will enable the launching a counter-offensive, in which the Jewish persecutors may be defeated.‘ ”

    Source: The Worker (Brisbane, Qld)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Žoreišar View Post
    What did actually 'Judea' entail in that context and at that point of time? I've seen the newspaper excerpt, but haven't quite understood what is being referred to by 'Judea' - a rigid organization of Jews; some group of Jewish religious leaders; the Jews in the old Roman province of Judea in the Levant; or something else altogether?
    It means the Jewish people as a whole.

    And this is what really everyone must understand. No matter individual squabbling of "internationalist" vs "integrated", "conservative" vs "liberal" Jews, "Norwegian-Jews", "German-Jews", "American-Jews", it's all irrelevant when the Rabbi calls for Jewish unity against whatever common enemy. The former are just masks, inside is always - and only - a Jew.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gegenschlag
    Even more ridiculous, he imagined that the globalist/progressive elites in the UK somehow sympathized with his nationalism and anti-Jew policies. The truth is that the media in the UK, the political class and to a lesser extent the British people were on a completely different page as Hitler and they had nothing in common whatsoever.
    Indeed, he confused Britain with some accidentially British personal friends. As I said, it was a "love" that was not mutual.

    And it's a prime example that "not antagonizing an enemy" will not render positive results.

    Quote Originally Posted by John Smithwick
    WWII is over today velvet. Let's lighten up and try and be a bit more nice, jovial and amicable.
    You are wrong on this, too. WWII is not over (look into UN documents, Germany is still "enemy state"), and despite there is no more shooting, the White Race, not only Germany, is ever more nearer to its total annihiliation than ever before, because the rest of the White Race failed to side with its own survival interests and instead groveled to the Jews. See where it brought the "West". Open your eyes. The Allies, and the people playing soldier for them, chose the wrong side. Hitler had been an entirely, and only German "problem" and of no concern to anyone else other than Germans. YOU chose the wrong side and now we face extinction, and the weak, sad rests of the white race will not rise up and suddenly "win" a war most of them dont even know they're fighting. But yes, be lighthearted and go down laughing.

    Btw, you didnt answer any of my questions either.
    This thread should be about what NS actually was, but again we're discussing Allied war lies brought up against NS, and of course the big lie that "NS failed" when in fact it took 43 countries, riled up by Jews, to take us down, and 75 years of propaganda 24/7 promotion of "nazi hatred" (or translated: hatred for the white race) to maintain this lie and downtrodden the white race worldwide, only to distract you from looking what NS could have been. I'm tired of that, actually. You're not even interested to look what NS was in reality, for the people, how it pulled us out of the misery of the Weimar Republic which started to equal the Holodomor mass starving, how it promoted pride in our people and a future for the White Race. You're maintaining the lie, and I'm done with that now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    You are wrong on this, too. WWII is not over (look into UN documents, Germany is still "enemy state"), and despite there is no more shooting, the White Race, not only Germany, is ever more nearer to its total annihiliation than ever before, because the rest of the White Race failed to side with its own survival interests and instead groveled to the Jews. See where it brought the "West". Open your eyes. The Allies, and the people playing soldier for them, chose the wrong side. Hitler had been an entirely, and only German "problem" and of no concern to anyone else other than Germans. YOU chose the wrong side and now we face extinction, and the weak, sad rests of the white race will not rise up and suddenly "win" a war most of them dont even know they're fighting.
    Generally agreed.
    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    But yes, be lighthearted and go down laughing.
    The idea is diplomacy will hopefully get us out of this situation. If you think (((they))) were powerful then, today they've essentially become omnipotent.

    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    Btw, you didnt answer any of my questions either.
    This thread should be about what NS actually was, but again we're discussing Allied war lies brought up against NS, and of course the big lie that "NS failed" when in fact it took 43 countries, riled up by Jews, to take us down, and 75 years of propaganda 24/7 promotion of "nazi hatred" (or translated: hatred for the white race) to maintain this lie and downtrodden the white race worldwide, only to distract you from looking what NS could have been. I'm tired of that, actually. You're not even interested to look what NS was in reality, for the people, how it pulled us out of the misery of the Weimar Republic which started to equal the Holodomor mass starving, how it promoted pride in our people and a future for the White Race. You're maintaining the lie, and I'm done with that now.
    I quoted and addressed each of your points in my last reply.

    I'll state it once again: NS was a great system up until 1939 (minus the part where Hitler killed people during the Night of the Long Knives, and minus the part where he (essentially) banned our Pagan and National Folk Faith religions; and the part where he was banning books like those of the nationalist Spengler who was slightly critical of the regime and could foresee the impending doom Hitler would trigger). So there it is again velvet. What shocks me is that there are still people who agree with all of Hitler's rationalizations up until his death in 1945.

    But everyone is entitled to their opinion, and this is just a message board.

    What I find especially sad, and I say this as someone of part German descent (myself), is that such arguments (i.e. every decision by Hitler was right) are a disservice to Germany. State where Hitler was right; but state where Hitler was wrong; otherwise, you end up helping the enemy. (((They))) covet the "Hitler was right about everything" people as though they were a precious relic. Both the Left and the Right of our people, and the Jews, point to them and say: "Look, see, we were justified in everything we did. The Germans worshiped their totalitarian dictator as though he was a God (even when he got 10 million of them exterminated); and people like Mosley would have been that for us. We fought German autocratic authoritarianism, and then we fought the Soviet version."

    I'll admit that today the 'we' (in terms of British descendants) don't exist in any explicit form. The Jews, on the other hand, run our civilization, and are driving us towards oblivion. It's the fault of things like the Monarchy and the Church of England and Scotland as well - institutions which promote mass immigration, mass mixing, all in the name of a version of the Jews' messiah; institutions which should be tribal centres for our people. I hate our civilization. I just hate it. Merry Jewmass (Jewish messiah mass) and Yule.
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    Just for the sake of clarity, my intent here has been to explain the 10 million dead Germans by 1947, and how that could have been avoided. This involves explaining not just where NS was right, but where it was wrong.

    Given the (((global situation))), and how Hitler wasn't going to leave office by people asking him to, I think we should have assassinated him in 1939. We'd have saved 10 million German lives.

    Of course, we'd have to plow through some people screaming "no, no this is my Savior, my Messiah - he's always right" ... but eventually we'd get to him, that little funny mustache man, childless, wifeless, teetotalling, vegetarian, supposed Catholic POS, but we'd get to him.

    Then of course in my world, we'd turn our guns on our parliament, monarch, the church, and the Jews, and clean that whole situation up. lol

    Edward VIII would be placed back on the throne. We'd gut the Church of its Jewish derivative religion, and build a faith for our people. Eh Jews reading this, don't you want to contact me through this message board, and give me a few million to start that process lol.

    Jews and other minorities could still live here; no more than 10% of the population; yes they could be here, but they wouldn't be allowed into things like our secret service; they could own say 10% of the media - not 95-99% (but it'd also be pointed out what they own). And the voice of parliament and our church and state radio/tv (BBC&CBC) would be a voice for our people. It would motivate them, mobilize them, inspire them, have them working as a team. Not this BS we live under.

    Merry Yule and Merry Britmas! And for those of you who still follow it, Merry Christmas. Lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norman Pride View Post
    He may have wanted to emulate the Spartans, however Megistias is reported to have died in battle, while Hitler committed suicide in a bunker. This is why Hitler's decision is rather ascribed to him being afraid to suffer the same fate as Mussolini.
    You're overlooking his declining health and the risk of capture in battle.

    Hans Baur and Rudolf Hess have provided for me a vast number of arguments for why Hitler committing suicide was the only way for him to go, plus his decision to end it all by offing himself is consistent with his pre-war attitude. Sebastian Haffner recounts a statement from Goebbels about Hitler ending himself with his pistol when it seemed like the schism between Strasser and Hitler loyalists was going to ruin the Party. Similarly at the war's end, Hitler said he was going to "end it now", as if he were taking responsibility for the whole war. That's how his suicide must be seen, as an unqualified admission of his responsibility (Eric von Manstein, who was one of Hitler's most defiant generals, testified to his chivalry in claiming responsibility for the losses at Stalingrad).

    It's unjust to call out Hitler for not risking his life in battle, overlooking that a German Field Marshal defied his orders and surrendered to the Soviets, as well as the fact the Allies (i.e. Cordell Hull) called out their own De Gaulle (who was of a higher rank than Hitler, a general) for spending most of his time in London, away from the battlefield. It's not surprising that De Gaulle didn't receive an invitation to the Yalta conference.

    Quote Originally Posted by Norman Pride View Post
    While Hitler was presented as a brave soldier by NS propaganda, who had the dangerous job of running between trenches to deliver messages, fellow WWI soldiers described him as a "cowardly pig", living behind the front lines in relative comfort and gaining his Iron Cross as a result of a recommendation by a Jewish List adjutant rather than frontline bravery. Diaries from List regiment soldiers portray Hitler as a loner and object of ridicule, joking about him starving in a canned food factory, unable to open a tin with a bayonet.
    Really, you're relying on a British tabloid? And you expect me to seriously reply back to someone else's narrative? Alright then.

    The article cites from the scholar Thomas Weber. What a coincidence! I had contacted him a few days ago to confirm some information regarding Wiedemann's statement about Hitler's split personality.

    In the first place, Fritz Wiedemann, who nominated Hitler for the Iron Cross, was not Jewish.

    Secondly, Hitler's commanding officers had declined to award him since they shared the view of their subordinates that he was a black sheep, which contradicts the article's assertion that it was due to nepotistic favoritism. Wiedemann wasn't even close to Hitler during the Weimar years, that wasn't until 1929-1934. Weber claimed it was a chance meeting which had brought them together.

    It overturns the popular belief that Hitler’s brutal experiences during the First World Ward radicalised him and led him to unleash his hatred on the rest of the world.
    Actually, it makes sense that some war veterans who were useful in the war and then suddenly lost these merits in times of peace would do anything to have the thrill of battle and comradeship back. That wasn't Hitler though.

    Dr Weber argues that the Iron Cross was awarded to Hitler because he was known by officers who could make recommendations and not because of any heroics in battle.
    This part is true. Supposedly, Wiedemann stated at the Nuremberg Trials: “we could discover no leadership qualities in him.” But Weber himself has cautioned that Wiedemann's testimony in the Nuremberg Trials could've been self-serving, which was typical for most people who knew Hitler and wanted to distance themselves from him. https://books.google.com/books?id=CF...issing&f=false

    Quote Originally Posted by Norman Pride View Post
    Hitler expressed in his political testament that the war be continued no matter the cost, but his decision to never capitulate had been expressed much earlier, e.g. in his 1939 speech at the Bürgerbräukeller, where he said that everything was conceivable except capitulation:
    Never capitulate to whom?

    Quote Originally Posted by Norman Pride View Post
    And he never changed his mind, not even after Germany became outnumbered and the Soviet troops were coming in close. It was not only his remaining generals who had to pledge to continue the war by every means, but Hitler also demanded that all Germans, men and women, be faithful and obedient to his directives unto death.
    He patterned this will for victory on Frederick the Great's unprecedented historical feat, which went against all military patterns and expectations. To say he was foolish in holding out for a similar turn of events is to condemn Frederick the Great's legacy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Norman Pride View Post
    Since Germany was highly outnumbered and on the path to losing the war, something that was recognized by some NS figures themselves (Himmler, Göring, etc., whom he called traitors for trying to obtain peace), the decision to continue fighting would have only been self-destructive.
    In the case of Goering, he was being presumptuous and disrespectful (his vanity was comparable to Rudolf Hess, who allegedly expected to be put in charge of Germany from abroad, by the British people). Goering's ultimatum was like holding out a biscuit in front of a starving kid and telling him he could save him, on the condition that he will work for him from now on.

    Luke 11:11-13 “Which of you fathers, if your son asks for a fish, will give him a snake instead? [Or if he asks for bread, will give him a stone?] Or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion?

    The fact that Hitler was surrounded by dubious and unreliable people, that his entourage consisted of misfits and black sheep, who deserted him in his time of need demonstrates that he was a genius (in the original sense of the word, not merely the etymological, ancient Roman sense of an inventor). Geniuses almost never have the opportunity of choosing the people they wish to associate with and confide in, let alone see eye to eye with. Not every Goethe had his Eckermann. It is characteristic of geniuses to push away the fair-minded and balanced advisors (i.e. Wagener, Ludecke, Hanfstaengl, Gregor Strasser) and even come into bitter disagreements with other geniuses (i.e. Goethe, Herder, Schiller). They prefer the company of fanatics and revolutionaries.

    They are often viewed as dreamers and utopian idealists. While they are often impractical, their sheer objectivity and correct assessment of reality makes them immensely overwhelming, which is what I've been emulating. I'm not such a genius, I've only studied them from a distance.

    From the infamous FDR historian Ernest K. Lindley: “Mr. Roosevelt did not recruit his professorial advisers to provide him with a point of view; he drew them to him because their point of view was akin to his own.”

    This definitively rules out that FDR was a genius, although he may have had moments of inspiration in his dictation. I recently discovered in Edward VIII's memoirs that Churchill may have a moment of inspiration while seeing the Duke of Windsor off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Norman Pride View Post
    Millions of lives lost, executed, expelled from their lands, interned in camps, and so on, all because Hitler refused to see reality. And even so, Germany's fate could have been much worse had Hitler had his way and they never capitulated.
    To great individuals, ideas matter more than people. Better to die in battle than to be enslaved. Race mixing, not war, is what finishes off a people for good. Also, it's not really for a lack of men that a people perish, as seen in the Thirty Year War. Even Christian and Muslim "prophecies" say that for one man, there would be seven women.

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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    There's one simple rule for all white people: with Jews you lose.
    Keep them away from you as far as possible, dont let them into your work, into your thoughts, into your life. NEVER!
    Well, this white person disagrees, and to say something like this is not only grossly generalizing but also scapegoating Jews as some universal evil, which is no way better than those people who tar whites with the same brush, making them collectively responsible for all evils, when in reality both groups are quite divided. Just like you have liberals and conservatives among whites, you also have right-wing, Zionist, conservative, religious Jews, and you have left-wing, liberal, secular Jews, not to mention everything in between. You even have Holocaust revisionist, pro-Hitler Jews. Oftentimes, many of those who preach anti-white hatred are whites themselves.

    Also: blaming the war on a Jewish conspiracy to declare war on Germany 6 years before the war actually broke out is really stretching it. Not only was "Judea" not a state that represented worldwide Jewry, but "Judea declares war on Germany" was a newspaper article about an economic boycott, not an actual war declaration from one country to another. If the Jews declared war on NS Germany, why didn't other countries, including both "Judea" and NS Germany, treat it as a war? Why was there no official war declaration, like there usually is when a war starts? And why would they use a tabloid to declare war, in English, that the Germans were unlikely to read? There were no Jewish troops sent to invade or attack Germany and if the Jews really planned a conspiracy attack to surprise them, why did they make it public in the first place? Not even the Allies interfered with Hitler's breaking of the Versailles Treaty, at least not until Poland was invaded 6 years later, because they had signed an obligation to protect it. They too had initially wanted to avoid a senseless war, and hardly anyone objected to the NS racial laws and their treatment of Jewry at the time. If the war was really about Jews, it would have started much earlier. But the truth is, Hitler's treatment of Jews as well as other races was mostly ignored at the time. America was racially segregated as well and that continued even after the war. So the war was not about race, social justice or Jews, as modern day SJWs claim. In America for instance this type of politics started to be popular only beginning with the late 1960s.

    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    "Sowing hatred"? What?

    Yes, the NS focus was on German (Germanic) nations, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Netherlands, Austria, but we were even friends with Finland, or Slovakia.

    Himmler had personally ordered the regional commissars in Ukraine and other eastern occupied regions to treat the people well. Unfortunately not everyone sticked to that order (Erich Koch, a christian, who made it his hobby to randomly shoot on children there).

    There's a Hitler speech where he said that once there even may be peace with Russia (once the Bolshevics are gone, of course). Hitler admired the British Empire, that's why he let go the invasion army of like 40k British soldiers, who came back of course due to his rather naive "love", which was not mutual at all. And he had pity for the downbread, decadent, once-upon-a-time Germanic Americans.

    Sowing hatred?!?
    The biggest hatred NS sowed was obviously against Jews themselves as well as other races, who were seen as inferior or derogatorily referred to ("parasites", whose elimination "must necessarily be a bloody process", as he wrote in Mein Kampf). However, even other white and Germanic people fell into this category. Non-NS Germanics were despised and labeled the enemy. Some Slavs and Eastern Europeans (especially Poles - "It must become clear to everybody in Germany, even to the last milkmaid, that Polishness is equal to subhumanity" and "every Pole, whether a worker or intellectual, should be treated like vermin", Serbs, Czechs, Slovaks, and later also Russians) for example, as well as "Huns" and "Finn-Asian barbarians" were regarded as "sub-human" ("Untermenschen") whose populations were to be reduced and their countries suitable to be turned into "Lebensraum". He also hated the French, whom he wanted to get revenge on, not to mention certain sub-races that were categorized as inferior to the Nordic race. The NS admired other whites who belonged to the Nordic race and saw them as assimilable, however darker pigmented, non-Nordoid races were seen as less desirable and thus further down on the scale. Eventually, the plan was to reduce or eliminate them from the genepool, and later this was extended to the handicapped, regardless of race, who were regarded as unworthy to live and a burden. Hitler also showed disdain towards Germanic Americans and their country ("my feelings against Americanism are feelings of hatred and deep repugnance") and invaded other Germanic countries where a NS government was forced. People point to Dresden as a war atrocity and rightly so, however the NS side is not entirely innocent either (e.g. the bombing of Rotterdam and their desire to destroy the city of Utrecht, where innocent civilians died horrible deaths. Just because the death toll is smaller does not make it more acceptable. 200 Faroese lives might not mean much to a German, however keep in mind that their population was only around 20,000). Some countries, like Denmark had less of a strategic importance for NS Germany but they were nonetheless invaded as an exercise or staging ground staging for invading other countries. Smaller Germanic countries stood no chance because the were inferior in numbers and equipment or had minimal training because they wanted to stay out of the war. Many Germanics who lived under NS occupation in such countries also have pretty grim accounts. Sadly some Germanic countries, like Iceland or the Faroes became a target for both Allies and Axis, despite wanting no part in the war.

    The truth is both the Allies and the Axis committed unspeakable acts against innocent Germanic people. Trying to make Hitler look like a saint has little credibility under such circumstances, not to mention that it is extremely biased and one-sided. Unlike many of the blind NS followers, Germanics from Allied countries don't unequivocally defend all of their countries'/governments'/leaders' actions during WWII (or any other wars for that matter), especially those rooted in hatred (internment camps, ethnic cleansing, and the like) and empathize with the German victims regardless of their opinions about NS. Some countries like Norway issued official government apologies to Norwegian women who were mistreated over WWII-era relationships with German soldiers. On the other hand, the NS are rarely repentant for their treatment of other Germanics. There's always a justification for their actions, but they don't extend the same principle to others.

    Also, pride in one's race is fine and healthy, but hatred towards other races and wanting to exterminate them is a different thing and it's not necessary to have those kinds of beliefs as a Germanic. This is why NS is so easy to dismiss as an ideology nowadays, including among conservatives and white/Germanic groups, as nobody wants to be associated with such negative feelings and atrocities. NS has been reduced to a niche element, where even some of the NS themselves keep their ideology secret from the public and even others around them (friends, family) and limited to Internet forums.

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