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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    It's quite weird that NS is rejected "because it is nationalist", while usually all "pan"-ideologies are unevoqually rejected on this board. But when it's against NS, "pan" this is again perfectly fine. Talk of hypocrisy...
    I think we should clarify what kind of "pan" subset we are talking about here first. All pan ideologies don't belong under the same category, for example pan-Europeanism vs. pan-Germanicism.

    Speaking for myself, I am not a nationalist in the extreme sense, rather pan-Germanic. The way I see it, extreme nationalism (chauvinist and the like, sowing hatred towards other, especially kindred nations, like NS was) can be incompatible with the idea of a wider Germanic consciousness. A Germanic consciousness implies having strong ties with other Germanic nations and recognizing a brotherhood with them, even if not necessarily politically manifested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Smithwick View Post
    While I commend people for presenting the NS version of things, I find the "Hitler was 100% correct" stuff really ridiculous and I think it's self-defeating.
    Pretty much how I feel about it too. The mistake some of the NS have been making over the years is to look at Hitler as some sort of Messiah, the savior of Germany. However, while Hitler did indeed improve certain things for the Germans at first, by the time he was done, Germany had to pay dearly for his mistakes. He took the way out via suicide, however millions of Germans had to be left behind and deal with the consequences of his megalomania and unwillingness to listen, including to his own generals, who saw it coming. Those images of Hitler from the end of the war, suffering from Parkison, coming out of his bunker for a short time to shake the hands and motivate child soldiers are quite disturbing.

    Apart from that, I agree that NS is somewhat outdated, not to mention unpopular with most people. While conservatism is gradually becoming more mainstream, the sentiment towards NS is still pretty much the same. If the NS want to be smart about it, it's time they repackage their ideology into something more fitting to this era.

    I think the more important question should be: is NS the ideal ideology to further current Germanic interests? I have my doubts that it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Smithwick View Post
    While I commend people for presenting the NS version of things, I find the "Hitler was 100% correct" stuff really ridiculous and I think it's self-defeating.
    First off, I never indicated I was one of those people who believed "Hitler was 100% correct". Far from it. He was perhaps wrong about it being better to believe in lies than to be a skeptic (seems situational), wrong about the art of reading, possibly wrong about promoting the study of ancient Roman history, definitely wrong about a sense for history being essential for understanding, etc.

    What I disagree with is that most people who say that "Hitler was wrong" promote the wrong reasons, since they know nothing about him but play into the hands of the enemy. I promote pure, unadulterated Hitlerism since even his own modern self-professed followers perceive it as dangerous. No one really wants to submit to Hitler, they'd rather put him into their desired mold or on a pedestal for their agenda. The fact that religious infighting has become the most divisive issue in the nationalist sects, that until recently no one has inquired into Hitler's religious beliefs, and that outsiders like Serrano and Savitri have mostly displaced formerly influential Waffen-SS interpreters in "esoteric Nazism" is sufficient proof that they no longer care about Hitler as a person. That's why Hitlerism is most suited for driving away petty opportunists, subversives, caricaturists, superficial adherents, the bourgeois, reactionaries, etc. Everything in NS other than Hitler becomes readily disposable if necessary. I have prepared a number of arguments to neutralize every major NS player (i.e. Rosenberg, Speer, Ley, Himmler) if it conflicts with Hitler.

    Quote Originally Posted by John Smithwick View Post
    Edward the VIII tried hard to stop the war. He had this to say afterwards:
    If he really wanted to stop the war, why did he abdicate the throne over his American wife? He was in the best possible position to effect a lasting relationship with Germany.

    I'm not judging the Duke for putting his personal happiness before the state since one of Nero's ancestors did the same thing. Incidentally, the Duchess was better received in Germany than her homeland.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-35765793
    "She was treated like a royal princess, not like the Royal Family treated her, like an outcast and an outsider. In Germany members of the aristocracy would bow and curtsy towards her, and she was treated with all the dignity and status that the duke always wanted."

    As for the wiki's quote from the Duke's memoirs, it is indeed authentic, but deliberately omits his praise for Hitler's ability to sway the masses, as well as his subsequent expression of admiration and sympathy for the German people. His statement was intended to be fair-minded, not deprecating.

    You neglected to note that like most former associates of Hitler (i.e. Ernst Hanfstaengl, Hans Frank), the Duke wished to distance himself from Hitler in the post-war period. You obviously didn't factor in testimony from the Duchess of Windsor, who in contrast to her husband's short and superficial assessment, observed that Hitler's hands were that of a musician's, being long and slim (although this is not normally characteristic of the Alpine classification) and noted that his eyes were the same as the ones she had seen in Kemal Ataturk (who was described as a Germanic in the Table Talk). She immediately could tell that he had a disinterest for women. It's true, as Rudolf Hess put it, that women are often able to better judge men than men themselves can.

    Quote Originally Posted by John Smithwick View Post
    YouTube did a massive purge of Hitler speeches, but you can still find some. Here he is "talking" to Otto Wells, and at moments he's almost yelling at him - dinosaur like:
    https://youtu.be/4KW87Ccjq1E?t=464
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xG5TiS6qVOU
    Now you sound like you're making a case for Social Democracy. Once again you've neglected to elucidate on the context. This was an open public debate, presumably before a large audience. Obviously they were not seated opposite each other, having a discussion over a table. In private conversations (i.e. diplomatic meeting with Sumner Welles, interview with Herbert Hoover), Hitler was described as rarely entering moments of passion. He maintains a calm demeanor throughout the Mannerheim recording. Not to mention that he had declined making speeches in private, telling Hoffmann that he usually needed a crowd when speaking.

    I suppose you'd consider the oratory of Arthur Skargill and Churchill to be somehow more impressive. Churchill was more of a writer, with an excellent and diverse vocabulary, than he was an orator, whose gestures (i.e. sweeping, slamming fist) were typically conventional, as described by the Duke of Windsor and corroborated by the Duchess, both of whom also noted that Churchill's favorite method ("pile driver") was to hit on the same points again. Both had a hard time adjusting to public oratory, this illustrates two things to me: Churchill was a somewhat decent orator and that most British people can nowadays only amount to cheap imitations, which is what Hitler dismissed Oswald Mosley for (according to Speer).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOQwa73KXbs#t=4m26s

    Quote Originally Posted by John Smithwick View Post
    So in conclusion, is NS compatible with Germanic preservation? No - it really didn't work out well to say the least.
    What conclusion? I've intercepted you at every turn and corner in our debate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    One of those few who had predominantly Germanic inclinations, Himmler, was ridiculed for it by Third reich scholars and even Hitler himself. Hitler was a worshipper of the Roman and Greek spirit, which was reflected in the art he and the National Socialists promoted. Albert Speer, Hitler's chief architect called Himmler "half schoolmaster, half crackpot."
    Which scholars?

    Speer wasn't his only chief architect. Source for the Speer quote? Speer only derides Ley and Hess for their theories. Ley's alleged theory that the sheer amount of German refugees fleeing from the Soviets would give them a foothold in the Western world is nowadays promoted in Operation Paperclip and by conspiracy theorists.

    Hess' idea was for illuminating highways, but somehow implemented more efficiently than in America.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...83167008500072

    As revealed by Eugene K. Bird, Hess' son was an airport designer, Hess was familiar with his ideas and even offered some of his own (the possibility of doing away with internal airports in Germany). Hess was also a huge NASA fan who recommended some improvements for their space shuttles. This engineering and inquisitive side of Hess has gone unnoticed.

    Leni Riefenstahl, despite vouching for Speer's credibility as opposed to his former friends, called him out on his representation of Rudolf Hess and pointed out that he had a muddled memory during his imprisonment, which seems to be supported by Speer himself in his memoirs (under Jan. 13, 1951).

    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    Hitler himself was ashamed of our Germanic past and considered it inferior to ancient societies in southern Europe, whom he considered "more advanced".
    Ashamed? He emphasized that the ancient Greeks were Germanics.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    Hitler initially promoted an un-Germanic religion, Christianity for propaganda reasons ("positive Christianity"), calling atheists and freethinkers Jews.
    He cited Voltaire's exchange of letters with Frederick the Great to his generals, corroborated by Henriette Hoffman. His comments on Julian the Apostate were excerpts from Kurt Eggers' Der Scheiterhaufen: Worte großer Ketzer, which included quotes from freethinkers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    Along with the ban of homeschooling, which remained active in Germany to this day
    A downside to home schooling is that a child is afforded more opportunities to see all that is bad in his parents. Even Kemal understood this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustaf...fe#cite_ref-25

    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    Heinrich Himmler was ridiculed by Hitler for wanting to re-establish Germanic mythology.
    Yet Himmler was nonetheless entrusted with a vast amount of power and influence over his subordinates.

    Arguably Hitler was more racialist and fanatical about race than even Himmler: https://books.google.com/books?id=Wc...thoods&f=false

    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    Here is more of what Hitler thought of Germanic heathens and expressed in Mein Kampf:

    Modern-day Germanic heathens who live and dress according to the old ways, Germanic reenactors and historians with a passion for our pre-Christian societies would not have always had a respectable place in Hitler's Reich.
    Context indicates that it wasn't limited to pagans.

    "In most cases they come because they think that, under the aegis of the movement, it will be possible for them to promulgate their old ideas, to the misfortune of their new listeners."

    Which matches Alfred Rosenberg's initial impression of Otto Strasser.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    Hitler did not want to preserve, but to replace Germanic heritage it with a "glorious" pseudo-Germanic, in reality Roman empire. He had a fascination with the Roman empire, a desire to emulate it and rebuild Berlin as the capital into a Roman architecture model rather than a Germanic or Gothic city.
    No, he was more fascinated with Greece. Roman fascism was explicitly rejected alongside Christianity in a November 22, 1937 speech. He only adopted the Roman model of education and perhaps architecture.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    A more likely reason behind the ban is thought to be Hitler's personal dislike for the font.
    This de-Romanization of Germany is in accordance with the natural transition. The time of the Romans and it's inheritors (British, Latins, Neo-Latins) is long past, more Greek types will be coming into play.

    Besides, where is the merit in teaching Germans how to read obsolete languages like Latin and foreign languages like French (over English)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    And while we are still on the religion topic, Hitler's sympathy for Islam also seems to escape a lot of modern day "National Socialists".
    What makes Islam more dangerous to Europe than Zionism?

    Which is more dangerous in the long run: Rothschild bankers or Zionist dreamers?


    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    And if this is not enough reason to doubt Hitler's dedication to Germanic preservation, let us add his concocted nordicist theories and his support for the assimilation and "germanization" (he called it the "Eindeutschung") of non-Germanic populations, as long as they were "Nordic looking".
    He explicitly rejected assimilating Finns and Greeks, despite their heroism, and turned away a delegation of Ukrainians who had begged him to assimilate them into the Reich.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    Hitler had an inferiority complex due to his dark hair and short stature which was considered inferior according to NS racial standards as opposed to the tall, slender, Nordic poster types.
    Pure inference.

    As for his hair:
    https://carolynyeager.net/how-many-t...have-dark-hair

    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    Still not enough? Then let's have a look at the Nuremberg laws. How many times have we read around those forums that 1/4 and 1/8 Jews should be acceptable because the Third Reich would have accepted them? A person of 1/8 Jewish background was considered no less than a Deutschblütiger, while 1/4 or ​1⁄2 Jews were considered mixed race and only regarded as Jewish if they belonged to a cultural organization or married other Jews. Also, a Jewish grandparent was defined as a person who was ever a member of a Jewish religious community. So secular Jews were fine to mix with, and not considered to be Jews.
    What's your proposed resolution to the Jewish question? Let's hear it from an ardent Pan-German follower.

    I can currently name at least 10 Jewish individuals who warranted a good reputation and met the qualifications to contribute to the resolution of the Jewish question.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    Hitler also considered their past histories to be superior to Germanics': "I have never regarded the Chinese or the Japanese as being inferior to ourselves. They belong to ancient civilizations, and I admit freely that their past history is superior to our own."
    David Irving, although unworthy in representing German interests, has at least furnished evidence that the Bormann Diktat has been tampered with.

    Table Talk, January 5-6, 1942:
    These [Japanese] peoples were always inferior to us on the cultural level. Compare the civilisation of the Greeks with what Japan or China was at the same period: it’s like comparing the music of Beethoven with the screeching of a cat.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    Speaking of pan-Germanicism, Hitler couldn't even stay true to pan-Germanism and betrayed his kin from South Tyrol, leaving them to become forcefully italianized by his ally Mussolini. Ethnic Germans in South Tyrol were given the option of either migrating to the German Reich or remaining in South Tyrol to undergo forced italianization.
    The pan-German movements neglected the social aspect and failed to win over the masses. The same exact thing happened in antiquity. Julian, who was thoroughly racially conscious, said in one of his letters that the only reason Christianity had managed to gain a foothold over paganism was due to the neglect on part of the pagans.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    The NS like to justify Hitler's going at war with Britain and the US by citing "the Jewish question". However, they forget that Hitler himself was a supporter or Zionism. For what is Zionism, but Jewish National Socialism?
    His mentor Eckart opposed Zionism and depicted Hitler as anti-Zionist in Bolshevism: From Moses to Lenin. Hitler explicitly rejected Zionism in Mein Kampf and in a speech (albeit an early one).

    Otto Wagener also depicts Hitler as anti-Zionist; Jews were viewed as too cunning to wish to build a home in a desert region. Hitler's assertion that the Jews who were expelled from Germany and settled in Poland centuries ago still wished to return to Germany (in addition: that the Zionist intentions, when divorced from political reasoning, were also due to an instinctive urge), is validated by testimony from Khrushchev, who observed that the Jews who had been expelled from Poland had only one thing on their mind: to return to their homes. He described it as obsessive.

    Hitler's decision to send Jews into Madagascar over the eastern territories was factoring in the climate's influence. He was not much different from the Roman emperor Tiberius, except he didn't beguile Jews into leaving.

    Purportedly widespread anti-Zionist NS publication:
    https://research.calvin.edu/german-p...ve/zionism.htm

    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    Which other true Germanic leader dared to disrespect Swiss tradition and attack a traditionally neutral country?
    Neutrals side with the enemy, they're literally asking to be invaded by aggressors. There is no permanent neutrality in war.

    https://jewishjournal.com/columnist/...gue-in-poland/

    Even Jews were forced to recognize this fact. Lion Feuchtwanger highlighted his own mistake of depositing his money into neutral countries. His funds were either confiscated or frozen. Similarly, in the Table Talk, Hitler mentioned a Jew who had lost all the money he had deposited into a bank in Holland.

    If Hitler was such an aggressor, then Jordan Peterson's claim that he prioritized killing Jews over winning the war is ludicrous.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert...remberg_Trials

    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    And if all this is still not enough, Hitler is responsible for prolonging the war and sending millions of Germans of the best quality stock, including a good deal of the fertile male population, as well as teenagers and children to their deaths and wanted to drag the whole world down with him.
    Yet nothing said about the Allied demand for unconditional surrender prolonging the war? The Yalta conference highlighted the enemy's intentions of annihilating Germany off of the planet. The Germans in those days had good reason to believe that none of them would be spared.

    Hosenfeld, who helped the famous Jew Wladyslaw Szpilman, was disbelieved and tortured.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    "We will not capitulate - no, never! We may be destroyed, but if we are, we shall drag a world with us - a world in flames."
    Yet another dubious quote to add to my collection.

    The self-destructive Japanese kamikaze was explicitly rejected as un-Germanic by Hitler. Testimony from Hanna Reitsch (who proposed suicide bombings in the first place), those present (von Below), Erhard Milch (who she approached before Hitler), and most importantly Leni Riefenstahl, corroborates this.

    Hitler's decision to remain behind in Berlin with his "inner circle" members was him emulating the Spartans. Apollonius of Tyana praised Megistias the Acarnanian for choosing to remain behind in order to not miss out on such company.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terminus View Post
    The self-destructive Japanese kamikaze was explicitly rejected as un-Germanic by Hitler. Testimony from Hanna Reitsch (who proposed suicide bombings in the first place), those present (von Below), Erhard Milch (who she approached before Hitler), and most importantly Leni Riefenstahl, corroborates this.

    Hitler's decision to remain behind in Berlin with his "inner circle" members was him emulating the Spartans. Apollonius of Tyana praised Megistias the Acarnanian for choosing to remain behind in order to not miss out on such company.
    He may have wanted to emulate the Spartans, however Megistias is reported to have died in battle, while Hitler committed suicide in a bunker. This is why Hitler's decision is rather ascribed to him being afraid to suffer the same fate as Mussolini. While Hitler was presented as a brave soldier by NS propaganda, who had the dangerous job of running between trenches to deliver messages, fellow WWI soldiers described him as a "cowardly pig", living behind the front lines in relative comfort and gaining his Iron Cross as a result of a recommendation by a Jewish List adjutant rather than frontline bravery. Diaries from List regiment soldiers portray Hitler as a loner and object of ridicule, joking about him starving in a canned food factory, unable to open a tin with a bayonet.

    Hitler expressed in his political testament that the war be continued no matter the cost, but his decision to never capitulate had been expressed much earlier, e.g. in his 1939 speech at the Bürgerbräukeller, where he said that everything was conceivable except capitulation:

    And if someone informs me, “Then the war will last three years,” I answer: Let it last as long as it will. Germany will never capitulate: not now and not in the future! I was told that England is preparing for a three-year war. On the day of the British declaration of war, I ordered the Field Marshal to immediately gear all preparations toward a duration of five years. I did so not because I believe this war will take five years, but because we shall not capitulate at the end of five years either-for nothing in the world!
    And he never changed his mind, not even after Germany became outnumbered and the Soviet troops were coming in close. It was not only his remaining generals who had to pledge to continue the war by every means, but Hitler also demanded that all Germans, men and women, be faithful and obedient to his directives unto death. Since Germany was highly outnumbered and on the path to losing the war, something that was recognized by some NS figures themselves (Himmler, Göring, etc., whom he called traitors for trying to obtain peace), the decision to continue fighting would have only been self-destructive. Had Hitler's generals not capitulated after his death, Germany could have even been erased off the map. By this time, the Allies were ready to resort to any means necessary to subdue the Third Reich. Eisenhower had prepared a full-on bombing offensive against the remaining German-held positions and towns, and it's unlikely that they would have cared if they hit anything civilian. By the time NS Germany decided to surrender, it was already too little, too late. They had nothing to offer, the surrender had to be unconditional since 1944. Millions of lives lost, executed, expelled from their lands, interned in camps, and so on, all because Hitler refused to see reality. And even so, Germany's fate could have been much worse had Hitler had his way and they never capitulated.

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    Some comic relief ... :)

    We just need to mine enough Helium-3 to get zie ships fired up, and then the real NS revolution can begin :





    If that fails, there's the Antarctic base lol:



    No one let them know about our bases in advance
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terminus View Post
    What I disagree with is that most people who say that "Hitler was wrong" promote the wrong reasons
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    I've intercepted you at every turn and corner in our debate.
    I've shown where I agree with Hitler, and then I've shown where I strongly disagree with him. I notice, by contrast, you never seem to point out where he was tremendously wrong.
    Quote Originally Posted by Terminus View Post
    If he really wanted to stop the war, why did he abdicate the throne over his American wife? He was in the best possible position to effect a lasting relationship with Germany.
    I agree he didn't do enough. I said he tried hard, but yes he should have remained on the throne and continued to protest and attempt to act as an intermediary.

    You have to understand though that he really had no power and would have continued to be ignored:

    King Edward VIII - Wikipedia

    The Duke and Duchess settled in France. In May 1939, the Duke was commissioned by NBC to give a radio broadcast[85] (his first since abdicating) during a visit to the battlefields of Verdun. In it he appealed for peace, saying "I am deeply conscious of the presence of the great company of the dead, and I am convinced that could they make their voices heard they would be with me in what I am about to say. I speak simply as a soldier of the Last War whose most earnest prayer it is that such cruel and destructive madness shall never again overtake mankind. There is no land whose people want war." The broadcast was heard across the world and by millions in America.[86][87] It was widely seen as supporting appeasement,[88] and the BBC refused to broadcast it.[85] It was broadcast outside the United States on shortwave radio[89] and was reported in full by British broadsheet newspapers.[90]
    King Edward VIII during the Battle of France:
    Britain's Nazi King - YouTube

    "The most important thing now to be done is to end the war before 1000s more are killed or maimed to save the faces of a few politicians."
    Note that the above statement was never aired nor put in a newspaper, and had he been on the throne, it similarly would have been censored.

    I believe his rationalization for just giving up the throne and being happy with Wallace, was to show the world: don't waste your life in war. Go live and be happy: let the idiots get themselves killed. I'll admit that his advice wasn't very useful when my grandfathers were conscripted in 1944.

    In hindsight, Hitler may as well have been a Jewish martyr, giving them everything they wanted. It's called strategy, and they ran circles around him. They helped organize the terrorism against the German minorities in Poland in the summer of 1939, while bribing and pressuring the leaders of Britain and France (via threatening to withhold U.S. loan and arms contracts) to sign the blank cheques to Poland. Hitler took the bait, fell for the trap, and the rest is history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    It's quite weird that NS is rejected "because it is nationalist", while usually all "pan"-ideologies are unevoqually rejected on this board. But when it's against NS, "pan" this is again perfectly fine. Talk of hypocrisy...
    No hypocrisy here. First you are comparing apples and oranges. Pan-Europeanism might be rejected as un-Germanic by some people on this site as it has, according to them, the potential to "dilute" Germanic heritage. I, however, don't believe that all forms of pan-Europeanism do this. Pan-Europeanism can also imply a Europe of the nations, where both national and Germanic character are respected.

    Pan-Germanicism, on the other hand is an ideology that promotes the unity of Germanic peoples. I cannot think of a more Germanic ideology than one which makes precisely this identity, the Germanic identity, as its focus. Nationalism, on the other hand, can be both compatible and incompatible with a Germanicist outlook, depending on how extreme it is, as Wyrd said. German/Anglo/[insert other Germanic ethnicity here] supremacy, which disregards kinship and promotes disdain towards other Germanic nations, or promotes non-Germanic cultural values (Slavic/Mediterranean etc) may be un-Germanic. Certain nations are a mix of Celto-, Slavo- or Romano-Germanic peoples and cultures, further complicating matters. So it's possible to promote un-Germanic forms of nationalism (for example Celtic nationalism in the British Isles), while pan-Germanicism stays Germanic by definition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyrd View Post
    I mostly agree with the last post and the couple of posts before as well. I don't see NS as a truly pan-Germanic ideology, more like German nationalist. But even there, the Germanic character is questionable because Christianity was promoted and Hitler had the admiration for Roman and Greek traits that Dagna expanded upon. I also have to say I'm shocked to read those quotes where Hitler was ridiculing Germanic heathens and ancient Germanics in general. I agree with Dagna, if someone were to write such things today, I would probably question their dedication to preserving Germanic heritage. Our heritage is more than just race, what makes us Germanic is also in our culture, our history, our past.
    It was used far more than it was promoted. Religion was never the end, always used as a means to help realize Hitler's objectives. If Hitler's table talks are to be believed, he was a non-believer.

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    Finally there is a practical aspect. I question whether NS isn't somewhat outdated for today's realities. Not to mention that NS has a generally negative perception among the average population and is even illegal in some countries. So I believe it is highly unlikely that NS will have any chance to resurface as a form of government in Germanic countries. Even nationalism has trouble nowadays, we seem to be moving more and more towards globalization. In such an era, a pan-Germanic union might be more feasible.
    The biological importance of race and individual differences is and must always remain fundamental for a political movement that is truly concerned with preservation. We also live in an era of increasing concentration of wealth and capitalism, with jobs disappearing and people increasingly relying on automation and welfare.

    An ideology that combines both socialism and racialism must come to succeed at some point- whatever name you want to give it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Smithwick View Post
    Yes and had it not tried to get back what was lost after WWI so quickly, I think it could have.

    Similarly, had it presented itself as "warm and fuzzy" instead of militant, I think it would have changed the destiny of the West.
    We have quite some threads about this here on Skadi, please, for the love of the gods, inform yourself about the reality of the "militant" claim. We had less army personell and equipment than fckn tiny Belgium!


    Also regarding the religious question, had they been explicit, instead of implicit, as torchbearers for a new German Faith (instead of just a political party), that would have rocketed us forward. The German Faith would have honoured our Christian AND Pagan heritage, while placing the new primary source of faith as: the German people and nation. Every European country would have imitated it.
    For some reason it is continually and willfully ignored that the actual "religious" promotion in the Third Reich was Volk and Nation. It was neither christian nor pagan, it had kicked out ALL "cultish" stuff from public life.
    Although one could argue that all symbolism was in fact pagan, not christian, and there were enough pagans within the movement to give it a strong pagan flavour, while they had ordered all public schools and offices to REMOVE christian symbols.

    They were indeed trying to create a new faith, and yes I agree it was unfortunate, and stupid, to try to not offend the christards, which was not honoured. The churches and the christian-flavoured parties (Centrums Partei, today CDU) sided with the communists against them.

    I think you're really off there. Had the NS not been so antagonistic towards the Jews, (((they))) wouldn't have manipulated you into a war.
    WHAT?
    Again, we have enough material here on this site where you can inform yourself about the FACTS, in contrast to the propaganda bullshit you're repeating from the (((history books))).

    JUDEA declared WAR on Germany in 1933, (((THEY))) declared a "holy war on extermination" on Germany, and renewed this declaration of war in 37. It was only after the 37 declaration that actual "reprisals" against Jews (ie, bringing them to DEPORTATION camps from 39 onwards) came about.

    The Balfour declaration was pinned down in 1923.

    Learn some fckn real history please. Seriously.

    No one wanted war except the Jews, and they only wanted it because it seemed clear that Germans were going to nationalize all their assets and have them living an agrarian lifestyle in Palestine and Madagascar.
    NOT ONCE Hitler or NS ever mentioned Madagascar. Do you know where this fairy tale even comes from? No you dont, because you only read the fairytale books that go for "history" these days and repeat endlessly this war propaganda, without ever questioning the bullshit you're told.


    the Jews reading this should know that 'we' are not a hostile to them ; we're looking for their help. Please help us the Jews lol.
    You're getting disgusting

    You dont get it, dont you? They wont help you. They are hating you with a passion and nothing you can do or say will ever change that. Your disgusting groveling makes them laugh about you.


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