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    Is National Socialism a Germanic Ideology? To What Degree Is It Compatible With Germanic Preservation?

    I would like to know if you think nazism is a Germanic ideology and why or why not. Is nazism corresponding to the ancient heritage of Germanics?

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    It seems to me that NS is more influenced by Rome than it is by Germanic tradition, the totalitarian aspect anyway.

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    I do not know what nazism means exactly, but national socialism can be practiced by any nationality. There is at least one pretty much national socialist country in the world at the moment, and that is Israel. But national socialism hasn't bee practiced in it's pure form anywhere, not even in the 3rd Reich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lissu View Post
    I do not know what nazism means exactly, but national socialism can be practiced by anyone. There is at least one pretty much national socialist country in the world at the moment, and that is Israel. But national socialism hasn't bee practiced in it's pure form anywhere, not even in the 3rd Reich.
    I am not asking whether it can be practiced by anyone, I am asking if it is a Germanic ideology in origin. So what is its pure form and where does it come from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frigg View Post
    I would like to know if you think nazism is a Germanic ideology and why or why not. Is nazism corresponding to the ancient heritage of Germanics?
    This is a good question.

    There were some really good posts on both sides of the debate back on Skadi — some really good ones from both Nordgau and Thorburn, neither of whom is very active here unfortunately.

    I can't reproduce their arguments, unfortunately, but it always seemed to me that those who felt National Socialism was unGermanic tended to emphasize only certain aspects of our common Germanic heritage, while those who felt it was tended to ignore those same aspects and emphasize certain other, different aspects of the same heritage.

    In other words, I think the full heritage of our common ancestors can directly lead to both strong support for National Socialism and strong opposition to it, depending on how that heritage is developed over time and through successive generations. I think that's why the Third Reich generated so much strong emotion on both sides throughout all the Germanic countries and why so many were willing to kill and die either in its defense or for its destruction.

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    Isn't Socialism or National Socialism just a form of Marxism? Which would make it Jewish. Besides, the first NS state was Mussolini's Italy. And wasn't Spain under Franco a NS state? THe Roosevelt regime was National Socialist in all but name, & many persons blamed that on Jewish influence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Americ View Post
    Isn't Socialism or National Socialism just a form of Marxism? Which would make it Jewish. Besides, the first NS state was Mussolini's Italy. And wasn't Spain under Franco a NS state? THe Roosevelt regime was National Socialist in all but name, & many persons blamed that on Jewish influence.

    Neither Spain nor Italy were NS, though fascism does have many aspects in common with it, and the Roosevelt admistration was FAR from it. Socialism was indeed derived from Marx, though National Socialism is a totally different sort. Socialism existed far before Marx did, and thats where it came from. Regulated economy has always existed, so long as unregulated has, it doesn't exactly have origin. That being said, National Socialism could be derived from a lot of places. Ancient Sparta is probably the earliest. I'm not sure why people say Romans, as they didn't exactly have the best racial or cultural policy (and were imperialist). Anyway, as to whether it was Germanic in origin, I doubt it. Early Germans were, in a way, National Socialist, but there is little information on the period to know, and it probably wouldn't have had much influence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Americ View Post
    Isn't Socialism or National Socialism just a form of Marxism? Which would make it Jewish. Besides, the first NS state was Mussolini's Italy. And wasn't Spain under Franco a NS state? THe Roosevelt regime was National Socialist in all but name, & many persons blamed that on Jewish influence.
    National Socialism has nothing to do with socialism. National Socialism simply translates to Volksgemeinschaft (community of the folk). The real socialists in the NSDAP (Strasser, Röhm etc.) were silenced in the "Night of The Long Knives". Also you are confusing NS and Fascism.

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    Both NS and the second world war (as well as the first) were a cosmic manifestation meant to fix and improve the situation here on Earth. So, yes, It is a Germanic ideology, as well as a Universal ideology.

    Don't be fooled by the label of National Socialism, as it wouldn't have been mere nationalism nor socialism in the end.

    I mean, come on people, they used a thousand year old holy symbol, found throughout many ancient religions and cultures throughout the world, as their main emblem. What other mere modern political party or ideology has done that?
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    National Socialism is somewhat of a Germanic ideology, but I equate fascism, which is debatably entwined with NS, more in the Latin sphere. NS, like the aforementioned, draws heavily from Roman influence, but has been "Germanized". It failed to unite the Germanic peoples during it's tenure, and, in light of all this, I would not say it is a truly Germanic system.

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