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    Quote Originally Posted by Rassenpapst View Post
    Professor MacDonald himself asks: "Can the Jewish Model help the West survive?

    http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/WestSurvive.htm

    Ethnocentrism is very desirable although also Jews happen to be ethnocentric.
    Indeed, a healthy dose of ethnocentrism, not hyper, is desirable, however that's another topic we are talking about here. The other topic or question is whether Germanics, or Westerners, or Europeans, should make use of models coming from people who are foreign to them. I would say it depends on the model and whether it helps the people indeed. My answer was to the question whether National Socialism is Germanic in origin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    Indeed, a healthy dose of ethnocentrism, not hyper, is desirable, however that's another topic we are talking about here. The other topic or question is whether Germanics, or Westerners, or Europeans, should make use of models coming from people who are foreign to them. I would say it depends on the model and whether it helps the people indeed. My answer was to the question whether National Socialism is Germanic in origin.
    Ethnocentrism and even "extreme" forms of it is natural to all peoples. The roots of National Socialism were in the Romantic Nationalism of the 19th century, in the works of Fichte and von Herder. It rejected all anti-German cultural expressions of Judaism.

    National Socialism was of Germanic origin although it was certainly a reaction against foreign oppression.

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    Yeah, I think the reason ethnocentrism is so strong in jewish culture is because they have been surrounded by other cultures for most of their history
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    Quote Originally Posted by SineNomine View Post
    Exactly. This "abolition of interest" nonsense is equivalent to creationist nonsense in the realm of economics.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freigeld

    Money is an instrument of exchange and nothing else. Its function is to facilitate the exchange of goods, to eliminate the difficulties of barter. Barter was unsafe, troublesome, expensive, and very often broke down entirely. Money, which is to replace barter, should secure, accelerate and cheapen the exchange of goods. (Silvio Gesell)
    http://www.utopie.it/pubblicazioni/gesell.htm (The complete work)

    But money is rarly used for exchange, mostly for storage, because it doesn't antrophy, which is unrealistic and abstarct.

    The theory of Freigeld is not as loose as creationism or anything like that, it is argued for with actual reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    But money is rarly used for exchange, mostly for storage, because it doesn't antrophy, which is unrealistic and abstarct.
    Antrophy?

    The theory of Freigeld is not as loose as creationism or anything like that, it is argued for with actual reason.
    The fact remains that interest is there to account for time preference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SineNomine View Post
    Antrophy?
    Atrophy.

    Quote Originally Posted by SineNomine View Post
    The fact remains that interest is there to account for time preference.
    That's why there is a need for negative interests, this is inline with the world, where objects atrophy (iron rusts, etc.)
    As a side note it is interesting that Hoppe uses the term of Gesell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    That's why there is a need for negative interests, this is inline with the world, where objects atrophy (iron rusts, etc.)
    Incredible!! Are you serious, or are you trolling?!

    Do you actually know what "time preference" means?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    Atrophy.
    Well it's true that money is used as a store of value. But what has that got to do with anything?

    That's why there is a need for negative interests, this is inline with the world, where objects atrophy (iron rusts, etc.)
    You're confusing depreciation in a good's value with interest rates, which can never be negative. If interest rates go to zero and cannot rise one has entered a so-called "liquidity trap".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Susisaari View Post
    Do you actually know what "time preference" means?
    It means time preference, whether I want something now or later. If your money decreases rather than increases over time, you will spend it much quicker
    If you want to store your wealth, then you have to buy gold or houses, etc.

    Right now you are rewarded if you wait (theoretically), then you are rewarded if you don't.
    The points on the time line will just shift.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SineNomine View Post
    Well it's true that money is used as a store of value. But what has that got to do with anything?
    While you are storing it you increase its worth, for everything else you would actually have to pay to store it. The purpose of money is degenerated, which is a tool for exchange, not storage.

    Quote Originally Posted by SineNomine View Post
    You're confusing depreciation in a good's value with interest rates, which can never be negative.
    Well, I would say all others are too confused not to do this
    I mean sure, they are not the same, but intersts should work that way, in English you might want to call it "uninterests" then :p

    Quote Originally Posted by SineNomine View Post
    If interest rates go to zero and cannot rise one has entered a so-called "liquidity trap".
    That's why they have to be negative.

    But well, you can read Gesell's book, online for free, I provided the link, you might want to skim over it.
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