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    Possible Clue to Origin of Native Americans?

    I was playing a game called Medieval 2: Total War Kingdoms and my Mayan emperor had a son named Votan. Votan is pronounced the same as Wotan, and Wotan is the German name for Odin, the All-father in Norse/Germanic paganism. I looked up the name Votan and this is what I found:

    http://www.godchecker.com/pantheon/m...hp?deity=VOTAN

    That entry lists some traits of the god Votan, and oddly enough they are similar to Wotan's.

    1. Votan - God of Warfare and Death.
    Wotan - Lord of War and Death.

    2. Votan - Said to be so old that know one knows who he is.
    Wotan - No one knows how old he is, and no one knows who he is because he travels wearing a wide-brimmed hat and a black cloak.

    3. Votan - The Black God, his face is said to be black, and he may be painted black.
    Wotan - Wore a black cloak and a wide-brimmed hat which would have made his face look black.



    That's where my research ends though, because of a lack of information on Votan. I've heard the theory that Native Americans are Europeans that migrated across the Bering Strait and down to South America, but this could help the theory out a bit.

    Please share your thoughts.

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    These similarities are in all probability just a coincidence. Some geneticists have found some links between Europeans and indigenous Americans but that doesn't change the fact that they are Mongoloid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volek View Post
    I was playing a game called Medieval 2: Total War Kingdoms and my Mayan emperor had a son named Votan. Votan is pronounced the same as Wotan, and Wotan is the German name for Odin, the All-father in Norse/Germanic paganism. I looked up the name Votan and this is what I found:

    http://www.godchecker.com/pantheon/m...hp?deity=VOTAN

    That entry lists some traits of the god Votan, and oddly enough they are similar to Wotan's.

    1. Votan - God of Warfare and Death.
    Wotan - Lord of War and Death.

    2. Votan - Said to be so old that know one knows who he is.
    Wotan - No one knows how old he is, and no one knows who he is because he travels wearing a wide-brimmed hat and a black cloak.

    3. Votan - The Black God, his face is said to be black, and he may be painted black.
    Wotan - Wore a black cloak and a wide-brimmed hat which would have made his face look black.



    That's where my research ends though, because of a lack of information on Votan. I've heard the theory that Native Americans are Europeans that migrated across the Bering Strait and down to South America, but this could help the theory out a bit.

    Please share your thoughts.
    DNA studies, and bluntly, my eyes completely disprove it.

    Native Americans are Mongoloid, and their ancestry mainly comes from the Northern Chinese Provinces and later, Siberia. Mind you, there are theories that there are pockets of exceptions in the deep Southern Region of South America (Australoid influences) and obviously there's the pocket where Vinland was, and obviously there were likely a stray man or two from anywhere who was lost from their ship (which is what I believe founded one of the beliefs of the Aztecs which led to their demise - believing in a Europid guy as a God), but generally speaking, they're almost entirely Mongolid.

    I, in no way, shape or form have seen a single iota of evidence that Nordid people populated the world and ran every positive civilization known to man (what's next? Saying they wore dark makeup and ran Nubian tribes in Africa? :eek: ). I do believe that stragglers made it around the world in various locations and got bred into the local populations, making virtually no impact on the DNA structure by sheer numbers of the locals. I do believe outskirted communities in Central Asia were Europid or even possibly Nordid, but those were rare exceptions, which left as quick as they came.

    As i've said, i'm proud of my heritage, but my heritage is not in China, or Natively in America, etc, etc. It's historically been in Europe and that's where it was. I don't need to have any ownership of foreign breakthroughs or progress attributed to us. From the Industrial Revolution onwards, we've made more progress than every civilization on the planet ever has, and in record time. Virtually all of the modernity and progress we see surrounding us today was bred out of European ingenuity, and while the PC world seems to forget it and try to revise it, I think it speaks for itself, still.

    So, sorry about the tangent. No, there's no connection.

    Native Americans have zero Europid Ancestry, unless their family married into one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash Voyager View Post
    These similarities are in all probability just a coincidence. Some geneticists have found some links between Europeans and indigenous Americans but that doesn't change the fact that they are Mongoloid.
    What about Caucasoid mixture with Mongoloids?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hrodwulf View Post

    Native Americans have zero Europid Ancestry, unless their family married into one.
    There some theories that Europids may have come to North America during the last ice age by way the glaciers then connecting Europe & North America. I don't know if this could be proven, since all eastern Indian tribes have had inflow of European genes since 1492.

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    As well as the Vinland settelment there is also the story of Madoc the Welsh. I have always liked it but have never seen proof. As there has been confirmed mixing in the remaining eastern tribes finding older mixing would be very tricky.

    I do not think that this Votan is any direct relation to the asir Wotan. But the similarities are interesting. Makes me want to go and dig out my Joseph Campell.
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    Also the Basques have been fishing off of the coasts of North America on a regular basis since before Columbus or Leif Erickson were born.
    I think its entirely possible that somehow some seafaring Europids may have reached the new world and bred with Native Americans, however I don't think it would be significant enough for us to be able to tell now, especially after the mixing thats been taking place since Columbus.

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    It is my firm belief that all extinct and current religions (minus whatever modern cult nonsense) descend in some way from a far older original religion spread by ancient Aryan peoples. This Pacal Votan/Wotan clue is just one of the many pieces of this puzzle.
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    It's quite possible that a group of Vikings landed where the Maya now and become a ruling/priest class, and established the religion.

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