Do "Black Irish" = atlanto-meds?

[Stew]

Just wanted confirmation... are the "Black Irish" predominantly Atlano-Meditarainianid?

[Newgrange]

I'd say yes
there is also "black dutch"
"black danish"

[Milesian]

Just wanted confirmation... are the "Black Irish" predominantly Atlano-Meditarainianid?

The term has been used to mean different things at different times, but if you are reffering to Irish people with dark hair and (and less commonly eyes,although the skin is almost never swarthy but actually rather pale), then yes I believe this is due to Atlantids and Atlantid/Nordid mixes in the Irish population.

Actually to many of the Irish, being of this dark-haired, pale-skinned type is seen as a sign of noble ancestory

[cosmocreator]

Black Irish, Black Danes, I'd say are Meds. Not sure what type though. Most likely Atlanto Meds.

[Stew]

Thanks for the replys, Yes I did meen the very pale black haired Irish. I know the term "Black Irish" has had starange storys attached to it like "survivors from wrecked ships of the spanish armada".

I had forgotten about the Black Dutch, but I knew a girl in school with what I would call very celtic features but raven black hair and very pale white skin who was from Holland. It is quite striking, I didn't realize there was a connection.

I had wondered if they (partucularly the black irish) are pure atlanto-meds or somthing else.

[Milesian]

Thanks for the replys, Yes I did meen the very pale black haired Irish. I know the term "Black Irish" has had starange storys attached to it like "survivors from wrecked ships of the spanish armada".

I had forgotten about the Black Dutch, but I knew a girl in school with what I would call very celtic features but raven black hair and very pale white skin who was from Holland. It is quite striking, I didn't realize there was a connection.

I had wondered if they (partucularly the black irish) are pure atlanto-meds or somthing else.

Interesting site dealing with explanations of the Black Irish
http://www.darkfiber.com/blackirish/

I don't know if there any pure Atlanto-Meds around in the Irish population, if there are I think they would be very uncommon. I think most of these Irish are basically Cro-Magnon derived Paleo-Atlantids, the very pale skin I believe being indicative of UP ancestery. Although I'm sure some of them may have Atlanto-Med influence indeed.

[Newgrange]

maybe this would explain the similarities:

HG1 = Haplogroup 1

HG1 - Paleolithic hunter-gatherers who arrived in
Europe before the last Ice Age about 40,000 years ago.
This pattern is most common in Western Europe, but is
also found in all other parts of Europe. This group is also
known as the Atlantic Modal Haplogroup which
includes Irish, Welsh, Basque, Flemish, and Bretagne

Danish HG1 levels

[Stew]

Hmm, I was trying to thing of a good example of a famous Black Irish person. How about this guy? He's not as pale as some Black Irish I have met but he looks quite Med to me (but i'm a complete novice). What do you guys thing?

[sciath]

Interesting site dealing with explanations of the Black Irish
http://www.darkfiber.com/blackirish/

I don't know if there any pure Atlanto-Meds around in the Irish population, if there are I think they would be very uncommon. I think most of these Irish are basically Cro-Magnon derived Paleo-Atlantids, the very pale skin I believe being indicative of UP ancestery. Although I'm sure some of them may have Atlanto-Med influence indeed.

Thanks for the site a chara ! very interesting !
I would add that several anthropologists have found similarities between Irish's customs (like wakes)/ buildings (like round hutts) and very old Med customs found for example in Sardinia or Greece

[Milesian]

Thanks for the site a chara ! very interesting !
I would add that several anthropologists have found similarities between Irish's customs (like wakes)/ buildings (like round hutts) and very old Med customs found for example in Sardinia or Greece

De nada, amigo

I would be interested in any links you may have about these similarities, if you have any?

@Stew - Hmmmm, to be honest this man's look doesn't really strike me as Irish at all to be honest. The actress I posted in the Physical Classifications forum today could be a representative of one kind of Black Irish. In all honesty I think the term describes not one phenotype but rather a mic of North-Atlantid, Paleo-atlantid and Atlanto-Med