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    Hallstatt site Proto-Celto-Germanic?

    I have often wondered if the Hallstatt site or even the succeeding culture of La Tene should be classified as Celtic at all. I personally feel that in this case the term Celtic was applied by archeologist for more romantic reasons than for any scientific one... the Hallstatt culture began to develop during the Bronze Age and continued into the early Iron Age. Due to the time and the location I personally think that both Hallstatt and La Tene are actually neither Celtic nor Germanic but instead they were a culture that preceded both. In other words I think that they would more appropriately be called Proto-CeltoGermanic as they gave birth to both. This idea has popped up on some other threads so I began this one to have a focused discussion on this specific topic…
    what do you think?
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    What…no one has an opinion on this ?
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    I rely on Coon regarding this. Briefly, he said that the La Tene "Iron Age Celtic" culture, with its center at Hallstatt, Austria, expanded northeast to the region of the Black Sea. There, a powerful war-chief arose who conquered lands to the West and North and settled in the area of N. Germany to S. Sweden. Later, he was elevated to god status. This was Odin. This all happened about 1000-500 B.C., I forget exactly. About 400 A.D., this region underwent a population explosion and began migrating out of S. Sweden, through Denmark and pushing the boundaries of the Germans ever southward. This was the Volkswanderung. By this time a German language had arisen. Some say this early German was just a trade language invented by the Hallstatt, La Tene people to deal with the inhabitants of more northern lands. People think of Germanic languages as simple in comparison to, for instance, Gaelic. Invasion of southern lands followed the great rivers of Europe. So, by the time these Germanic invaders got to Austria, the original La Tene population didn't ever recognize the newcomers as stemming from them. The culture of the newcomers was much more warlike, and probably much less complex (fewer unique ideas within the newcomer culture). The "Germanics" then settled down and adopted or perhaps relearned ideas they had left behind. This is why Southern Germany, not Southern Sweden, is considered the "Cultural Climax" area for all of the Germanics.

    Returning to Southern Sweden in 500 B.C., the cult of Odin overlay the older god Thor. This resulted in the odd arrangement of gods for the Germanics as opposed to the more traditional Indo-European pantheon of gods for the Greeks or Romans, for instance.

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    There is a good booklet by WE Filmer "The Celtic Iron Age in Europe" albeit British Israelite, that convincingly shows that Halstatt was Cimmerian.
    (If I remember correctly Zehren (Crescent and the Bull) mentions a connection betw Hallstatt and Gezer in Palestine.)
    Piggot calls the preceeding Urnfield phase/period pre-/proto-Celtic.
    I think Baker and/or Ripley also have some info on it but have to check.
    Aside from there being Celto-Germanic tribes like Belgae, the usual Aryan theory is that Celtics were originally racially "Aryan/Nordic" not Alpine, and that the Germanic/Teutonic are the purest remaining reps (compare Gobinau's Celto-Germanen).

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    I agree with the conception of ethnogenesis as being from the heartland of the Holy Roman Empire. On the other hand, specifically Germanic heritage was developed in isolation, by removal to the North of Europe.

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