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    Gandhi the Non-Violent Hero of the Liberals

    I'll just post this picture, it says a lot. Or, it would say a lot to those anti-nationalists that idolize Gandhi.


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    I guess I'm missing the point of the photo — what does it say to Gandholaters?

    And I can't imagine that anti-nationalists would idolize such a strongly nationalistic figure, anyway.

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    That is the whole point, I notice many liberals and anti-nationalists sort of idolize Gandhi in much the manner of Che Guevara. They miss the fact that Gandhi was a nationalist and aimed to gain the just rights for his people. His choice of non-violence, indifferently from the possibility that he considered it an objective good in itself, was more a recognition that that method garnered the desired nationalistic and anti-imperialist results. What I mean, is that Gandhi basically found a means to arrive at his end and he used it.

    Plus, the picture is significant for he is there featured with young Italian Balilla (I presume they are Balilla or similar), the Italian male fascist youths during a visit in Rome where he met with Benito Mussolini. Gandhi, according to a biographer of Mussolini, is even reputed to have stated that Mussolini was a "superman" or something similar (the book is not in my possession at the moment). If it wasn't "superman", the adjective used was definitely a positively overwhelming one. My whole point, is that the current liberals and leftists that idolise Gandhi seem either to not know or to skim over these historical facts.

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    Ghandi was an interesting and heroic man of his people. I can see being inspired by him but there should be no question that he was an Indian for Indians. That is as it should be. Be for your people and not against other unless you have no choice. But then I am neither a nationalist or an antinationalist.

    I never 'got' what was so great about Che though.


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    Well, It's quite interesting that liberals get along Gandhi. Even if I don't agree with some of his methods I consider him a true nationalist (he fought for the independence of his country). the same happens with Che Guevara.

    I do get along with Che, even if he's a communist and I'm not, because I see further than what liberals see. He fought against the imperialism of the USA, trying to give freedom to countries, make them trully independence. For me he can be considered a kind of "nationalist".

    What bothers me is that bunch of self-called "communist" that uses his image without studying the person and his acts .

    Some months ago I saw a guy wearing a Che Guevara T-Shirt. he said he was a communist. I asked him if he knew what Che Guevara did and he answered "Oh, yes, because the Revolution. Revolution, revolution...". He didn't knew a s*** of what he did. That's what bothers me, to use an idol for what it isn't.

    It's like if a "nationalist" were using a nazi simbol or a Hitler's T-Shirt and you ask him what does he know about Hitler and he answers: "Wow dude! he killed jewish! that's cool"
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    Quote Originally Posted by ladybright View Post
    I never 'got' what was so great about Che though.
    Unlike the spoiled brats who wear his image on their T-shirts nowadays, Che Guevara actually sacrificed what could have been a very profitable career in medicine to fight guerrilla wars in far-off countries, risking - and finally losing - his own life for his beliefs. Even when one disagrees with his political stance, one has to admire him for his 'guts'. The Che shirts are ridiculous though; I mean, we're talking communist merchandise here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ederico View Post
    I'll just post this picture, it says a lot. Or, it would say a lot to those anti-nationalists that idolize Gandhi.

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...andhi_Rome.jpg
    Ghandi. Sorry, but I don't see why Gandhi embraching some Itlian youth, who I assume is a member of of some Facist party youthorganisation, makes a point. A from I read among things here, many Hindu nationalists despise him. for many reasons, to bad the site wich gatherd to most arguments in this case is no longer online.

    But why anti-nationalists, or better said liberal-socialists, like him? My theory is because they seem him as some kind of proto-hippy.

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    I think Ghandi was a fraud and a Zionist puppet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GroeneWolf View Post
    Ghandi. Sorry, but I don't see why Gandhi embraching some Itlian youth, who I assume is a member of of some Facist party youthorganisation, makes a point. A from I read among things here, many Hindu nationalists despise him. for many reasons, to bad the site wich gatherd to most arguments in this case is no longer online.

    But why anti-nationalists, or better said liberal-socialists, like him? My theory is because they seem him as some kind of proto-hippy.
    It makes a point because anti-nationalists and liberals idolize Gandhi as a preacher of non-violence, however my whole point is that Gandhi was a nationalist and that the use of non-violence was effectively a convenient political tool more than a moral statement against all forms of violence.

    As far as many Hindu nationalists despising Gandhi I can say this. This year I just happened to have had an international relations module at University which treated India and Pakistan in relation to British Colonialism and the international scenario. The Indian nationalist movement was a diverse movement, as were many after all, with differing factions. To many Indian nationalists Gandhi is the father of India, others despise him. That is as far as I can tell from my knowledge.

    Gandhi in fact admired Mussolini, who was far from a proto-hippy or someone applying non-violence as his political modus operandi. Therefore my point is simple, anti-nationalists and liberals using Gandhi for their purposes once again demonstrate their stupidity or utter manipulation of history and historical figures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlbionMP View Post
    I think Ghandi was a fraud and a Zionist puppet.
    Would you mind expaining better your opinion? I think I don't get your point.
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