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    Europe Learns to Stop Fearing the Germans

    Are we still scared of the Germans? Even asking that question in the corridors of the European Union is likely to provoke sorrow and incredulity. The conventional answer is: of course not! Fear of Germany is primitive and backward-looking. The war ended more than 60 years ago.

    Poland is currently the skunk of the EU, largely because of its flamboyant violation of this polite consensus. In the run-up to the recent European summit, Jaroslaw Kaczynski, Poland’s prime minister, argued that his country deserved to be given more voting power, in compensation for all the Poles killed by Germans during the second world war.

    Even after the summit had ended, Mr Kaczynski was still at it. He warned that “something very bad is happening in Germany” and compared current events to pre-war Europe, when people were scared to speak out about rising German power. The Germans are furious. Frank-Walter Steinmeier, the country’s foreign minister, said the Poles had made an unjustified use of “historical prejudices”.

    Mr Kaczynski’s arguments were certainly slightly bizarre – and his language was unusually brutal and direct for genteel Brussels. But he tacitly raised an important question about the EU. Has Europe safely put the German question behind it? [...]
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    What do you think? Is Europe still scared of Germans? IMO, it is exaggerated. As German author Monika Maron said, "What we are experiencing today is anti-German racism. All the nations of the world can feel free to insult the Germans, and sometimes I wonder if we aren't totally insane, not to dare to speak up in our own defense."

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    Poland needs to get over it…after all the war really worked out for them. I still think that Germany has rights to large portions of Poland. I guess they are kind of like the coloreds here in the US who constantly complain about wanting this and wanting that for reparations of slavery…
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    Eurocrats at most would be scared of Germany's economic and industrial prowess in this mercantilistic world, certainly not some militaristic and aggressive German regime.

    However, if Europe has anyone to be "scared" of it is most definitely a China geared towards economic expansion and liberalisation. I don't trust the apparent Chinese mentality as featured by their regime. It is a country that for the sake of the collective abortions are state-sanctioned or similar. They would definitely put their national predominance over that of others if apparently politically profitable for them.

    They still persist on claiming Taiwan as their property, without respect of the popular will of the inhabitants of Taiwan. That is enough not to trust them. A collectivist and communist-imparted mentality together with material national strength and disrespect for the person is tantamount to danger for others.

    I'm not in any way pan-European, but now it would be time to prove some European co-operation and stop "fearing" Germany and concentrate on someone/thing more preoccupying. Go around your house, how many products are Made in China?

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    Merkel was compared to Hitler by a Polish MEP but even other Polish members of the European Parliament found it ridiculous.

    On the topic European cooperation, I agree with what a German Protestant church leader said regarding the controversy about the movie "Die Flucht": "reconciliation will only be possible when those guilty acknowledge their crimes and victims get a chance to tell their stories."

    Here is another example of the the controversy regarding Polish-German relations:
    Polish PM Jaroslaw Kaczynski has condemned an exhibition documenting the stories of millions of Germans expelled from Eastern Europe after World War II. Mr Kaczynski said the Berlin exhibition was "very bad, very disturbing".
    The event is being staged by Germany's Federation of the Expelled, which plans to create a permanent exhibition centre in Germany.
    The federation has been criticised by many people in Poland for portraying Germans as victims of the war.
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    In the run-up to the recent European summit, Jaroslaw Kaczynski, Poland’s prime minister, argued that his country deserved to be given more voting power, in compensation for all the Poles killed by Germans during the second world war.
    Polish PM Jaroslaw Kaczynski has condemned an exhibition documenting the stories of millions of Germans expelled from Eastern Europe after World War II. Mr Kaczynski said the Berlin exhibition was "very bad, very disturbing".
    The event is being staged by Germany's Federation of the Expelled, which plans to create a permanent exhibition centre in Germany.
    The federation has been criticised by many people in Poland for portraying Germans as victims of the war.
    Wow. What a two-faced HYPOCRITE. So when it's Polish victims, there should be compensations in the form of votes. But when it's German victims, it's "very bad, very disturbing". Maybe Germany should have asked for more votes too, to compensate for all the expelled and killed Germans by Polish hands post WWII. Not to mention for the persecution of ethnic Germans prior to WWII. Poland was and still is the most anti-German nation in Europe. It disgusts me.

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    Hmm, I can also see a double standard here. Polish victims are somehow viewed as superior to German victims. They seem to forget the German expellees weren't "nazis". They were innocent civillians. It's racism agaisnt Germans.

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    Germany is the "crippled man" of Europe. Because it lost the war and because of the crime accusations, every country can take advantage and ask money and compensations, always citing how evil Germany was and how many people it killed. It's good in Germany there are still some people like Erika Steinbach who cares after the expelled ethnic Germans from Poland and other countries.

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    Jaroslaw Kaczynski, Poland’s prime minister, argued that his country deserved to be given more voting power, in compensation for all the Poles killed by Germans during the second world war.
    Okay, at the condition that the Poles would have to build a monument to SS-Oberführer Dr. Oskar Dirlewanger, in recognition for much of the voting rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeternitas View Post
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    What do you think? Is Europe still scared of Germans? IMO, it is exaggerated. As German author Monika Maron said, "What we are experiencing today is anti-German racism. All the nations of the world can feel free to insult the Germans, and sometimes I wonder if we aren't totally insane, not to dare to speak up in our own defense."
    The forerunners of the EU where formed to keep a check on any possible German rearment. But today? I don't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GroeneWolf View Post
    The forerunners of the EU where formed to keep a check on any possible German rearment. But today? I don't know.
    Wasn't that also one of NATO's objectives: to keep the US in Europe, to keep the Russians out of Europe, and to keep Germany down?

    In the face of Russian re-expansion, both the EU & NATO may have to Just Get Over It, with respect to Germany.

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