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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridie View Post
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    Care to explain this little doozy??


    Quite obvious not ?:p

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    Quite obvious not ?
    Not. eyes:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridie View Post
    :

    Care to explain this little doozy??
    don't you think fighting during your period would be difficult?
    every year is getting shorter, never seen to find the time,
    plans that either come to nought, or half a page of scribble lines,
    hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way;
    the time has come, the song is over, thought I'd something more to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norseman View Post
    don't you think fighting during your period would be difficult?
    I served on 2 combat ships before women were allowed to serve on them, so I have no firsthand experince of serving with women. But several of my fellow sailors did, & none of them were impress by the work ethic or stamina of female sailors. One of the biggest complaints was that most female enlisted sailors would feign illness or discomfort when having their period, to the point of being unable to work 5 days a month. They could never be called on it, because that would sexist.

    About the only argument I heard in favor of women onboard ships was the sex angle. But even ships that had female sailors there was a ratio of 8 or 9 men for every woman so most male sailors had the disadvantage of female sailors who didn't carry their own weight, without the advantage of sex while at sea.

    Actually, sexual relations were/are forbidden onboard ship but it still goes on & it was not unusual for many female sailors to return from long cruises pregnant - I think 25% was average in the 80s. But these were the enlisted female sailors. The female officers & NCOs generally did'nt care for sex - with men that is.eyes:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Americ View Post
    I served on 2 combat ships before women were allowed to serve on them, so I have no firsthand experince of serving with women. But several of my fellow sailors did, & none of them were impress by the work ethic or stamina of female sailors. One of the biggest complaints was that most female enlisted sailors would feign illness or discomfort when having their period, to the point of being unable to work 5 days a month. They could never be called on it, because that would sexist.
    that's exactly what I was getting at. if I were in a combat zone, I wouldn't want to trust my life with a woman who just happened to be getting a bad case of the cramps that day.
    every year is getting shorter, never seen to find the time,
    plans that either come to nought, or half a page of scribble lines,
    hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way;
    the time has come, the song is over, thought I'd something more to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norseman View Post
    that's exactly what I was getting at. if I were in a combat zone, I wouldn't want to trust my life with a woman who just happened to be getting a bad case of the cramps that day.
    Same here!

    The same could be said for women judges as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SineNomine View Post
    Moreover, you were answering a different question to the one I asked - why should I consider a female relative more important than a male one?
    Nah, not more important, at least not objectively, but emotionally, it is about what we expect in life, and in war men are supposed to die, and women are supposed to cry.

    In war, when shit hits the fan, soldiers tend to scream for their mother, not father. At least German soldiers did so, at least the ones who screamed anyway . Maybe it is a mentality thing?

    Die Mutter
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    Leise atmend, halb entschlummert
    Liegt das Kind im Bettchen klein,
    Plötzlich durch das offne Fenster
    Schaut der Abendstern herein.

    Und nach ihm mit beiden Händen
    Laut aufweinend langt das Kind:
    "Mutter, Mutter, hol' mir diesen
    Schönen Stern herab geschwind!"

    "Dummheit!" ruft der Vater zornig
    Hinter einem Zeitungsblatt,
    "Was der Fratz von dritthalb Jahren
    Für verrückte Launen hat!

    Denk' man: dreißig Millionen
    Meilen weg und ein Planet,
    Der zweihundertvierundzwanzig
    Tage um die Sonne geht!"

    Doch die Mutter tröstet leise:
    "Schlaf', mein Engel! Diese Nacht
    Hol' ich dir den Stern vom Himmel,
    Der dir so viel Freude macht;

    Morgen früh, hier auf dem Bette
    Findest du den Edelstein" -
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    (This is also a great example of rationality differences of men and women, I should have posted that on the discussion we had in Skadi )

    Quote Originally Posted by SineNomine View Post
    And some men will never reach the standard of some other men. What of it?
    I don't get your point, you don't get to serve in the army just because you are a man (the draft as an exception), it was about the requirements, which could be raised so that women won't reach them, but some men still would.
    However, this is not really important anyway, it is certainly not enough to deny a woman o enter service, I see that, it was more of an anecdote

    Quote Originally Posted by SineNomine View Post
    Those who can actually do well enough to serve should be able to do so, provided there are no other considerations in operation. This is not even an egalitarian proposal - it is meritocratic.
    It's like when Niggers try to become Firemen.

    Quote Originally Posted by SineNomine View Post
    I am not sure why examples of women in boxing etc. are always brought up.
    Bah, it is an example of a women and a man boxing, the point wouldn't be any different if both were to fight Aikido style.
    "Nothing is more disgusting than the majority: because it consists of a few powerful predecessors, of rogues who adapt themselves, of weak who assimilate themselves, and the masses who imitate without knowing at all what they want." (Johann Wolfgang Goethe)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Americ View Post
    Actually, sexual relations were/are forbidden onboard ship
    I sure hope the pay was good enough to make up for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    In war, when shit hits the fan, soldiers tend to scream for their mother, not father. At least German soldiers did so, at least the ones who screamed anyway . Maybe it is a mentality thing?
    Probably because boys tend to value the mother more than the father (and girls vice-versa, though this is Freudian theory, so I am not sure how valid it is.)

    I don't get your point, you don't get to serve in the army just because you are a man (the draft as an exception), it was about the requirements, which could be raised so that women won't reach them
    No average women any way. The army has to keep the requirements low enough to get enough recruits to join and high enough to actually be lethal. If women can meet those requirements, and the institution considers it wise to admit them in combat roles, so be it.

    It's like when Niggers try to become Firemen.
    Isn't that by way of affirmative action?

    Bah, it is an example of a women and a man boxing, the point wouldn't be any different if both were to fight Aikido style.
    Apples and oranges. Aikido relies on very different physical factors to boxing - its very idea is to use the aggressor's force against them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norseman View Post
    don't you think fighting during your period would be difficult?
    No the discomfort can be helped. During a period some woman are more than capable of having such ferocity that it would be considered an ideal madness needed on a battlefield.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Achtland View Post
    No the discomfort can be helped. During a period some woman are more than capable of having such ferocity that it would be considered an ideal madness needed on a battlefield.
    brains and composure > blind rage
    every year is getting shorter, never seen to find the time,
    plans that either come to nought, or half a page of scribble lines,
    hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way;
    the time has come, the song is over, thought I'd something more to say.

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