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    Lombards were always intriguing to me.

    I wonder if native Northern Italian tribes had also blond hair or if it was something inherited from them.

    I ask this because I descend from Tuscans and they're blond, so I wonder if I have some Lombard blood running on my veins.

    Does anyone knows what kind of sub-race they were? Can you show me an examle of someone of this sub-race that could fit between Lombards?

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    The Lombards

    The Lombards

    The Langobards (or Lombards) were a Germanic tribe that began in southern Sweden and worked their way down into Italy by the 6th century. There they established permanent German rule in Italy, but became Italians in the process and gave their name to the northern Italian region of Lombardia. This movement from Sweden to Italy was gradual, taking some four centuries.
    http://www.hyw.com/Books/History/Langobar.htm

    And other sources:

    http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/history/A0830194.html

    Thanks for the move! I didn't find an article on the Lombards until I posted this as a thread.

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    I will bump this thread up again since I think it's an interesting topic.

    I know about the history of Lombardy, I have no problem with that, and I also know a bit about Lombardic immigration to Argentina and their help in the development of our country.

    Though, there's something I'm not sure: are really all people from Lombardy descended from the original Germanic tribe that came from the north?
    My mother for example is very Germanic looking, so it would make sense, but I also met a guy (actually a Lombard independentist) who looked mostly mediterrean.

    Does anybody know any physical anthropology work about these people? I wonder if Coon or someone like that wrote about them.

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    Speaking of the people of the Lombardy region of modern Italy, they are racially a blend of predominitely Italic and Celtic blood. They did get an infusion of Germanic blood from the Lombards and Goths who conquered and settled in Lombardy.

    But to call the modern Lombardians primarily Germanic is not true.
    They descend from Italic/Celtic/Germanic blood.
    They speak a Latin language.
    They live an Italic culture.

    So in the final analysis they have Germanic blood in them, but to call them wholly Germanic is untrue.

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    "Sixty percent" of blondes I know are descendants of Lombards.

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    I remember the documentary mentioned earlier, that entire series was entertaining viewing. The series is probably up for sale on the History Channel site, as with most of their content.
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    Origins of the Langobards

    From Codex Gothanum: early history of the Lombards, likely used as a source by Paul the Deacon :

    " There is a river which is called Vindilicus, on the extreme boundary of Gaul: near to this river was their first dwelling and possession. At first they were Winili by their own proper name and parentage: for, as Jerome asserts, their name was afterwards changed into the common word Langobardi, by reason of their profuse and always unshaven beards. This aforesaid river Ligurius flows into the channels of the river Elbe, and loses its name.

    After the Langobards went forth, as has been before said, from the same shore, they placed their new habitations at first at Scatenauge on the shore of the river Elbe: then still fighting, they reached the country of the Saxons, the place which is called Patespruna, where, as our ancient fathers assert, they dwelt a long time, and they encountered wars and dangers in many regions. Here too they first raised over them a king named Agelmund.

    With him they began to fight their way back to their own portion in their former country, wherefore in Beovinidis they moved their army by the sound of clanging trumpets to their own property: whence to the present day the house and dwelling of their king Wacho still appear as signs. Then requiring a country of greater fertility, they crossed over to the province of Thrace, and fixed their inheritance in the country of Pannonia. Here they struggled with the Avars, and waging many wars with them with most ardent mind, they conquered Pannonia itself. And the Avars made with them a league of friendship, and for twenty-two years they are said to have lived there."

    The Old English poem Widsith describes Sceafa as a king of the early Langobards. However there are two variants of Sceaf in the Anglo-Saxon Chronicles (and other texts based on them) : Sceaf and Sceldwa. The former would be the one called Skjöld in the Scandinavian legends and the latter would be the son of Heremod. Here is their genealogy according to the Anglo-Saxon Chronicles :

    Sceaf
    Bedwig
    Hwala
    Hrathra
    Itermon
    Heremod
    Sceldwa
    Beaw
    Tætwa
    Geata
    Godwulf
    Finn
    Friþuwulf
    Woden/Odin

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    I don't know if I would say the Lombards are extinct exactly. Saying there are no more Lombards is like saying there are no more Anglo-Saxons. They largely become the northern Italians.

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    Exactly what I was going to say... I think there might be a lot of people in N. Italy which would argue with you about the claim that the Lombards are extinct...

    Quote Originally Posted by MotivationMan View Post
    I don't know if I would say the Lombards are extinct exactly. Saying there are no more Lombards is like saying there are no more Anglo-Saxons. They largely become the northern Italians.

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    As a blonde blue eyed Lombardic girl once told me it has been flooded with Southern Italians, so the Lombards are still around but they are diminishing.

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