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  • Yes, the US should quit NATO & withdrawal it's forces from Europe.

    26 66.67%
  • The US should remain in NATO. It is vital to European security.

    3 7.69%
  • The US should withdrawal it's troops from Europe, but remain part of NATO.

    8 20.51%
  • I have no opinion on the issue.

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    Should the US withdraw from NATO?

    What is your opinion on US involvement in European defense? The de facto reason NATO was formed in 1949 was to defend Western Europe from the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union no longer exists but NATO does. Should the US withdrawal all its forces from Europe? Should the US stay in NATO and supply peacekeeping troops in Bosnia & build missle defense systems to protect Poland?


    My personal opinion is that it is way overdue for US forces to come home. WWII has been over for 62 years. The US can no longer afford the expense of being the world's policeman. Who is the US defending Europe against? Russia? Germany & France are stronge enough to defend themselves against Russia if they choose to do so. Iran? If the Iranians are a threat to Europe the European are capable of dealing with the problem on their own. It is time to let Europeans handle their own defense without US input.

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    7 votes, but no one wants to voice an opinion. I thought Boche would have something to say about this issue.:

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    As Ron Paul states (para-phrasing Thomas Jefferson) "Trade with all, alliances with none."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Americ View Post
    7 votes, but no one wants to voice an opinion. I thought Boche would have something to say about this issue.:
    I've noticed that public polls tend to get less votes.

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    It is funny how when organizations outlive their original charge they seem to re-define their mission to remain relevant. It is certain that NATO has outlived its original purpose and I do think that it should be dissolved. When nations like Poland and especially Turkey joined NATO I began to think that NATO was not only beyond its usefulness but it was becoming outright dangerous. Not only is NATO irrelevant today in its current form but it is also not very dangerous. If the Nations of Europe believed in NATO then they would all have contributed more to the war effort in Afghanistan after the attack on America. It is also very dangerous I feel to allow Nations like Turkey into the alliance as that is in many ways a backdoor that the Turks are using to attempt entry into the European Union

    That being said I do think there should be an alliance like NATO that binds the Western (Germanic) world together in military might and purpose. Some would say why not just re-define the charter for NATO, I think that a dieing bureaucracy should be allowed to die and a new order should be formed that way we have new blood and ideas that are not tied to out dated techniques and modes of thinking. I sincerely feel that a western military alliance is needed to defend our common Germanic civilization form the modern threats of Russia, China and the Middle East as a whole. This should be a new Alliance Organization though that is built for modern threats on our common shared civilization.
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    I completely agree to Aegir, but i want to add something more:

    As he said, the main purpose of the nato, to answer the soviet threat,is gone.The UdSSR has collapsed ,so..what next?

    I have to say, i dont support the nato in general,simply because of the dominance of the United States. For me as a european it's just sad,that the nato is now a tool of the american foreign office and supports these wars of aggression for the sake of oil and money.

    I have also to admit, i dont care about dead iraqis,as i dont care about dead muslims in general,so for me,it wouldn't be a problem if there is a huge bloodshed,when the nato withdrawals from Afganistan and Iraq, but as Tarig Aziz,the former vice head of the iraqi government said in january 2003,two months before the american invasion :

    In no way,i want to threat or blackmail the europeans,but they should make a look on the world map,If the warlike operations of the US in the far east would fail and the US would be forced in a unsustainable Position, their homeland would be still shielded of the wrath of over a billion muslims by two oceans but Europe? There are millions of islamic immigrants in countrys like France,the UK or Germany and there are also two muslim nations, Albania and Bosnia. Even the Masheg and the Magheb are immediate neighbours.
    Unfortunately,everything what he said,is now becoming true. The US can't win anymore..

    That's why i think that europe should withdrawal the nato as soon as possible. So there is no question about withdrawal nato for the US.

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    Regarding Russia, I realize that it's in the hands of an unscrupulous power-monger, but I think Europe should still try get it to change, and develop better relationships with it. Russia suffers from an overly arrogant, self-important administration which cannot awaken itself to the fact that it commands a dying nation - but it would still be foolish to let enemies of Europe befriend her.

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    NATO must be considered in light of the post-Second World War consensus;

    a general move towards states pooling sovereignty, defending modern liberalism (really a mish-mash of classic liberalism and leftist ideology), defending the market economy (again, a vague concept) against Russian socialism.

    NATO is not about America or oil or anything specific. It's just another trans-national institution, a stepping stone to some even deeper, larger future alliance. The big picture is a very gradual push towards a single global administration, which would be seen (like the EU & a future federation of the Americas) as something enlightened and progressive.

    Naturally as preservationists we need to resist that. And I'd like to echo the theme of "trade with everyone, alliances with no one".

    A pan-Germanic/northern/European formalised military alliance is just multi-culturalism lite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Americ View Post
    What is your opinion on US involvement in European defense? The de facto reason NATO was formed in 1949 was to defend Western Europe from the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union no longer exists but NATO does. Should the US withdrawal all its forces from Europe? Should the US stay in NATO and supply peacekeeping troops in Bosnia & build missle defense systems to protect Poland?


    My personal opinion is that it is way overdue for US forces to come home. WWII has been over for 62 years. The US can no longer afford the expense of being the world's policeman. Who is the US defending Europe against? Russia? Germany & France are stronge enough to defend themselves against Russia if they choose to do so. Iran? If the Iranians are a threat to Europe the European are capable of dealing with the problem on their own. It is time to let Europeans handle their own defense without US input.
    As you correctly point out, NATO, or at least US involvement, has outlived its purpose. Not only can the US not "afford the expense of being the world's policeman," I believe that recent decades indicate that it is increasingly ineffectual in that role anyway. Besides, I think that there is a lot of truth in the view of some of our Founding Fathers that we should try to avoid foreign entanglements.

    By the way, I clicked on the wrong selection. I think that the US should withdraw from NATO, not remain. My rather rowdy 3 year son kept bumping into me and caused me to click the wrong choice. I didn't realize this until the voting results came up. Sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SineNomine View Post
    Regarding Russia, I realize that it's in the hands of an unscrupulous power-monger, but I think Europe should still try get it to change, and develop better relationships with it. Russia suffers from an overly arrogant, self-important administration which cannot awaken itself to the fact that it commands a dying nation - but it would still be foolish to let enemies of Europe befriend her.
    Putin is not a Mr.Nice but i think that he does his job really well.

    Simply because the situation of Russia isn't very good now. Russia is surrounded, in the west by the eastern enlargement of the EU and the Nato, in the south by the re-islamization of former soviet republics and in the sparsely populated east by the growing power and sheer masses of the peoples republic China.

    Putin now has to prove that he is able to withstand this and lead Russia to old glory and power and i think that he does this well, unfortunately,human rights abuse is a by-product of this. He is a hardliner, because he simply know that this is the only way out for the russian nation.

    Anyway, i agree to you that we have to make relationsships with Russia,alone because Russia will be a mighty ally and Russia is european, unlike the turks par example.

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