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    Quote Originally Posted by Oski Von Skadi View Post
    I hope they just destroy eachother and the west is left out of the semitic war.
    Argh, do not confuse Persians with Semites! Persians are racially, linguistically and even culturally different from Semites. They even have another kind of Islam that is almost entirely found among Iranians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janus View Post
    Argh, do not confuse Persians with Semites! Persians are racially, linguistically and even culturally different from Semites. They even have another kind of Islam that is almost entirely found among Iranians.
    Exactly. And I never saw Iranians being enemies to the 'west'.

    Anyway, in this whole story I'm on the Russian-Iranian side.

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    Limiting Collateral Damage in a Nuclear War With Iran

    Limiting Collateral Damage in a Nuclear War With Iran

    It is unfortunate that I have to begin this article with the jolt of such a knuckle-whitening title, but I'm deadly serious. Some people who think support for Israel amounts to camping out need to be shaken out of their complacency. In the past, I have called for the use of the neutron bomb on Iran ("Time to Neutron Iran"); and, failing that, use of the hydrogen bomb on Tehran ("Is a Hydrogen Bomb on Tehran Any Better?"), since Iran is so
    Just a handful of neutron bombs will be sufficient.
    centralized that it is essentially a "one-bomb" country if Tehran is nuked.

    Israel now has more Jews than any other country. Ehud Olmert and his left-wing wife cannot be allowed to destroy 5,000 years of Jewish history simply because, like Saul, he wants to show mercy on Amalek. He needs to be removed from office immediately so that Israel can take robust military action against Iran. Anyone who delays this, no matter what the political gain for the right-wing as Olmert implodes politically, is an Iran enabler.

    The IAEA found in Iran polonium-210, used almost exclusively for making A-bomb triggers. Since polonium-210 has a half-life of only 138 days, it is highly perishable and only made when use of an atom bomb is imminent. Iran is about to nuke Israel. Iran must be nuked first.

    Sometimes, when a child is bad, he needs a good spanking. Iran needs a good nuking. There is no "moral dilemma" here and it is no more complicated than that.

    Israel is going to nuke Iran. Every alternative has run out of time. The only question is whether Iran nukes Israel first. It is just and inevitable that Israel will make a nuclear attack on Iran and Syria against military forces to soften their armies up, facilitating an easy invasion of Iran via Syria, crossing the small land gap between them through friendly Kurdish territory. From there, Iran will be occupied to seize all Iranian nuclear sites. The only way to get them all, including the deeply buried ones without use of nuclear bunker busters with all their fallout, is to simply seize them with ground forces and access them for destruction just by taking the stairs.

    Even Syria must be nuked, because it is the only way to avoid getting bogged down there en route to Iran.

    The neutron bomb, if detonated at altitude, destroys soldiers, not property, meaning no bad PR photos. Just a handful of neutron bombs will be sufficient. Unlike other nuclear weapons, neutron bomb radiation dissipates in a week, allowing Israeli soldiers in a subsequent ground invasion to pass right through the nuked areas to reach the Iranian nuclear facilities, so experts can be brought in to carefully destroy or dismantle them without excessive release of radiation throughout the region. This is the only way.

    This will be a destructive war. There will be collateral damage. Had Olmert or Ariel Sharon taken action against Iran when its nuclear program was smaller, the collateral damage would have been less. Thus, by their delay, they, not Israel or the IDF, deserve the moral blame for the collateral damage. History, and perhaps a court of law, will one day judge Olmert for his genocidal tardiness. But the war against Iran must commence.

    Although there will be collateral damage, there are ways to limit it somewhat. I will not overstate this, the main objective is not to show mercy, but to win, to save Israel, Jewish history and the Jewish people from annihilation. But prudence argues that we should do what we can, in planning, to limit the collateral damage in the inevitable Israeli nuclear attack on Iran. Here is how that collateral damage can be limited.

    In The Prince (Chapter 3) Machiavelli wrote, "The injury we do to a man must be such that we need not fear his vengeance." There is no way to facilitate an easy invasion of Iran without sowing chaos in the land. A hydrogen bomb on Tehran would do this, at a cost of up to 12 million lives.

    Those lives can be saved if, instead, a neutron bomb is detonated over the Alborz Mountains to the north of Tehran. If detonated at the right spot and at the right altitude this would leak into Tehran just enough radiation to cause panic and pandemonium in the city, effectively evacuating the city temporarily and creating chaos across the whole country, making the Israeli ground invasion of Iran much easier.

    This would facilitate disruption of the whole country every bit as much as a hydrogen bomb on Tehran and would save 12 million lives. And because the neutron bomb causes no long-term fallout, the city of Tehran could be occupied a week later. Just one neutron bomb on the Alborz Mountains will ensure that the Iranian populace has lost its enthusiasm for jihad. The whole country will be in chaos. Meanwhile, stories in the press of Israeli soldiers desperately marching through nuked areas to reach Tehran and Iranian nuclear facilities will cast them in a heroic light, even though, in fact, those areas will not be radioactive by the time IDF ground forces march through them.

    All the government ministries and key national infrastructure are in Tehran. We want to take over those offices. We want to get into the files there in the same way that seizing German files at the end of World War II helped confirm the extent of the Holocaust. We want those Iranian files because they contain vast evidence of Iran's atom bomb program. This evidence will help us fully find and dismantle that program and it will also be proof to the world that Iran's nuclear designs were not peaceful, justifying the whole Israeli nuclear attack on Iran.

    Iran's terrorist allies in the region are sure to initiate missile attacks on Israel during this war. This can be limited greatly by dropping leaflets throughout the region warning that what happened to Iran could happen to them if they don't get out.

    The Lebanon war employed leaflets and remarkable numbers fled the area in response. This is a precedent. The evacuation would be far more complete if they thought they'd get nuked, too. This leafleting should be done right after the nuking of Iran in all areas where terrorists threaten to divert the IDF from its Iranian campaign, including Lebanon, Gaza, the West Bank and elsewhere: "We know you have missiles. Get out or you're next."

    Neutron bombs on these regions can be avoided because, for the first time since 1967, the Arabs will see in Israel's nuclear attack on Iran that Israel really means business and that they had better clear out.

    Civilians would eventually be allowed back into those areas if - and only if - they can prove their loyalty to Israel. I realize that Europeans hold pompous posh conventions against this - with their pate, bidet, foie gras, valet, chateau and Malraux - but that's the way the cookie crumbles.



    Source: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Ar...icle.aspx/7316


    The Author of this article isn't talking about facts - but he seems to be a total lunatic, probably like what the most of the Israeli Folk is looking for.
    The Cold War between Iran and Israel is turning into it's last chapter. But who will attack first?




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    U.S. to move on Iran’s Revolutionary Guard

    Administration will designate group as ‘global terrorist’
    Updated: 12:11 p.m. ET Aug. 15, 2007

    WASHINGTON - The Bush administration’s move to blacklist Iran’s Revolutionary Guard Corps as a “terrorist” organization is a new salvo in a broader effort to choke off funding to Iranian elements accused of developing nuclear weapons and fomenting violence in Iraq, Afghanistan and the Middle East.

    At the same time, it is intended to send a message to countries doing business in Iran that the United States is serious about isolating Tehran and is willing to slap sanctions on companies that continue to trade with Iran even if the United Nations is not, according to U.S. officials.

    A decision in principle has been made to name at least parts of the Revolutionary Guard a “specially designated global terrorist” group under an executive order signed by President Bush in 2001 as part of larger post-Sept. 11 measures to fight extremism, the officials said.

    Debate continues over whether to designate all or just part of the corps, said the officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the determination, which must be approved by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, is not finalized.

    The move would be the first such designation of a foreign government entity and would cut the designees off from the U.S. financial system and freeze assets that it, its members or subsidiaries have in U.S. jurisdictions. It would also allow the Treasury to move against firms subject to U.S. law that transact with the group.

    Patience waning

    It remains unclear when the step will be formally announced but officials said it has been weighed for months as the United States has lost patience with Iran amid charges the guard corps is supplying weapons to Shiite insurgents in Iraq and the Taliban in Afghanistan and as international efforts to shut down the Iranian nuclear program have bogged down.

    The designation will mean that Rice has found that the Revolutionary Guard Corps “has committed, or poses a significant risk of committing, acts of terrorism that threaten the security of U.S. nationals or the national security, foreign policy, or economy of the United States,” according to the executive order.

    The impending move serves the administration’s goal of ratcheting up pressure on Tehran, European and Asian companies with interests in Iran, and the U.N. Security Council, where a new sanctions resolution on the nuclear issue has languished under Chinese and Russian objections.

    Arms deal aimed at countering Iran

    The news broke on the eve of a three-day Middle East trip by the State Department’s third-ranking diplomat, Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs Nicholas Burns, who has been the point man on Iranian sanctions issues.

    Burns is meeting with Israeli officials in Jerusalem on Wednesday to discuss a $30-billion, 10-year U.S. military aid package for the Jewish state and regional security issues, “including the challenge posed by Iran,” the department said in a statement on Tuesday.

    Israeli concerns about Iran and its nuclear program are well known and the sanctions to be imposed against the Revolutionary Guard, its subsidiaries and business partners will likely be welcomed there.

    Move comes amid new talks

    Yet, the preliminary decision to blacklist the corps comes as the United States and Iran have begun a tentative, if yet unsuccessful, engagement on Iraqi security issues.

    The U.S. ambassador in Baghdad, Ryan Crocker, has met twice with his Iranian counterpart in recent months for landmark talks at which the two sides agreed to continue discussions although no progress has been discerned by U.S. officials.

    The Guard, which operates outside Iran’s conventional army with its own air, naval and land wings, is known to have extensive business interests and investments in Iran, but the extent of its holdings outside the country is not clear.



    Source: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20269253/


    Hehe, The definition of "Terrorism" is expanding beyond control. Now the whole issue gets even more silly.

    <Waits for the next News saying "Bin Laden hiding in Iran".>




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    Iranian Guards vow to 'punch' U.S.

    TEHRAN, Iran (AP) -- Iran's elite Revolutionary Guards said they would not bow to pressure and threatened to "punch" the U.S., in their first response to Washington's plan to list them as a terrorist organization, newspapers reported Saturday.


    Local press in the Iranian capital of Tehran quoted Revolutionary Guards leader Gen. Yahya Rahim Safavi saying that he could understand Washington's ire toward the group because of their "leverage" against the U.S. "America will receive a heavier punch from the guards in the future," he was quoted as saying in the conservative daily Kayhan. "We will never remain silent in the face of U.S. pressure and we will use our leverage against them." There was no elaboration on what Safavi meant by the punch or the organization's "leverage."

    Washington has accused the Guards of supporting militias and insurgent groups attacking U.S. forces in Iraq -- charges Iran denies.
    The fact that the remarks, made on Thursday in the central Iranian city of Isfahan, appeared in local newspapers rather than the official state news outlets suggest the comments are for domestic consumption. Meanwhile, other Iranian officials continued to speak out against Washington's move to register the group as a terrorist organization, with a government spokesman calling the claims "baseless," on the Web site of the state broadcasting company.

    "The claims of the U.S. are baseless and have no takers around the world," he said Saturday, noting that "the U.S. has endangered the world many times under the excuse of fighting against terrorism." On Tuesday, an unnamed official in the Bush administration said the U.S. planned to list the Guards as terrorist group in order to squeeze Iran. The move was seen as an effort to pressure businesses the corps is thought to control, from construction to oil sectors. It would be the first time the U.S. would put a foreign government's military agency on the list, which includes the al Qaeda network and the militant groups Hamas and Hezbollah.

    Iranian armed forces spokesman Gen. Ali Reza Afshar hit out precisely against this attempt to declare a state body terrorist in an editorial Saturday in the country's largest circulation newspaper, calling it illegal. "America's long time hostility against the Guard is clear and understandable, but this move against organization that is part of Iran's armed forces is illegal," he wrote in the daily Hamshahri.

    The estimated 200,000-strong Revolutionary Guards is an elite force separate from Iran's regular military and has its own ground, naval and air units.


    Source: http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/08/18/iran.guard/index.html


    Even if Iran was supporting insurgent groups which are attacking US forces in Iraq, it would not fit the definition of terorism. But well, with Bush in power, his administration could have changed this definition to "Who cares?".


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    Iraq reduces its oil prices to America and raising it to Asia and Europe

    Iraqi oil official said on Sunday that Iraq reduced the official selling price of Basra light crude to be shipped in September for United States buyers while lifting those destined for Asia and Europe.

    The official said that the Iraqi oil marketing company (SOMO) set the price for buyers in the United States with the same price of crude West Texas minus 6.80$ after the price was under 4.40$ in August.

    Sumo raised the price for September shipments to Europeans buyers to Brent price minus $ 3.65 after it was minus $ 4.50.

    Sumo increased price to Asian buyers to the average price of Oman and Dubai crude minus $ 1.20 after it was minus $ 1.80 in August.


    Source: Translated from http://www.iraqdirectory.com/DisplayNewsAr.aspx?id=4387


    So the "Story" about the US Army going there for oil seems to be proven right.




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    Ah, the benefits of imperialism! And we get our little brown brethren to extract it for us, too — how delightful!


    Nevertheless, . . .
    So the "Story" about the US Army going there for oil seems to be proven right.
    This seems to be a good example of the rather rare ante hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy.

    The fact that we're reaping the benefits of the rape of Iraq doesn't prove that we raped to reap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leofric View Post
    Ah, the benefits of imperialism! And we get our little brown brethren to extract it for us, too — how delightful!
    Isn't it somewhat anti-germanic to call it delightful if germanic cultural root-countries have to pay more than a country build upon multiculture for oil?

    Anyway, i take your comment as sarcasm.

    The fact that we're reaping the benefits of the rape of Iraq doesn't prove that we raped to reap.
    Of course not only - that's not what i think of the reason anyway - but let#s call the oil-issue a little present on the side.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Leofric View Post
    Ah, the benefits of imperialism! And we get our little brown brethren to extract it for us, too — how delightful!


    Nevertheless, . . .

    This seems to be a good example of the rather rare ante hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy.

    The fact that we're reaping the benefits of the rape of Iraq doesn't prove that we raped to reap.
    I'm not disputing this, but proving is often based on plausibility and even though this move by itself wouldn't prove Boche's allegation it definitely gives greater credit to such an allegation. You should have rather stated that British, Italian and Spanish troops were sent to Iraq as well, yet they're going to suffer from this move. This either disproves Boche's allegation, or gives greater credence that mentioned troops where in Iraq doing American business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ederico View Post
    proving is often based on plausibility
    Convincing, maybe. Proving, no. Proof requires more than plausibility. Though of course, establishing plausibility can help lay the groundwork for proof.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ederico View Post
    though this move by itself wouldn't prove Boche's allegation it definitely gives greater credit to such an allegation.
    I fully agree.

    But of course, you must understand the history between Boche and me. It's his duty to decry the United States at every turn, and mine to defend them. Every time he speaks ill of the United States, I defend. Each time I defend the United States, he condemns. It's kind of a playful little ongoing war between the two of us. Don't get me wrong — we're each sincere in our statements; it's not that we're just playing a big game with the whole thing. But the war between the two of us does seem to have certain gamelike qualities.

    In this instance, I am inclined to agree with him, but in order to continue the war, I needed to find something to take issue with. So I chose (for once) to demand absolute rigor in the alleged proof.

    And it's not there!




    Quote Originally Posted by Boche View Post
    Isn't it somewhat anti-germanic to call it delightful if germanic cultural root-countries have to pay more than a country build upon multiculture for oil?

    Anyway, i take your comment as sarcasm.
    Good, it was intended as sarcasm.

    But while we're on the topic . . .

    A country built on multiculture? Who are you talking about? I didn't know Switzerland was in Iraq!

    The United States are not built on multiculturalism. They are built on a solidly Anglo-Saxon base. There certainly is multiculturalism here now (as is the case in most Germanic countries), but that's a result of the country's decadence — not the of the foundation. The foundation is English.

    (@ Ederico: You see, this is how the war between the two of us tends to carry out its course — we each pick little things in what the other has said, pull them out of context, and then scream about them. Notice, too, that I'm leaving out the fact that I think that although the US are definitely not built on multiculturalism, they were the building-grounds for the modern doctrine of multiculturalism — but I think that doctrine did not originate here, but among 19th-century socialists who fled Europe after the botched revolutions of 1848 and subsequent decades. I think it was our English [and quintessentially Germanic] hospitality and libertarianism that allowed these radicals from Europe [many of whom were of a certain proverb-and-byword ethnicity] to flourish here, ultimately to our own detriment. The protection that their multiculturalism received here allowed them to distill their poison so perfectly that they were then able to infect the world with it. But I'm not going to say that to Boche, because I need to be a defender of the United States to counter his role as their ultimate attacker, and so it is imperative that I not suggest the United States have made any mistakes, just as it is imperative that he not suggest that the United States really are a good country [like most Germanic countries] or even that the United Statesians are good people, despite having made some mistakes here and there.)



    Quote Originally Posted by Boche View Post
    let#s call the oil-issue a little present on the side.
    That sounds about right.

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