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    Dogs As Alternatives to Children?

    Child substitute.

    Dogs are often referred to as 'man's best friend', but some women are treating their pampered pets as baby substitutes.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7870212.stm

    This strikes me as quite unhealthy. A symptom of a sick and dying culture?
    “It was intended that when Newspeak had been adopted once and for all and Oldspeak forgotten, a heretical thought should be literally unthinkable, at least so far as thought is dependent on words”

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    I know a liberal couple that views their dogs as children and are disgusted that women would put themselves though the "horrible trauma" of child birth.

    Makes me sick and yes it is a sign of a dying culture.

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    Dogs but Cats too (the stereotype of the eccentric old woman, never married, lots of cats)...

    I know a lot of Skadi members are extremely pro-animal and like to go on about their pets, and many even said they prefer pets to people and some even that they would rather keep cats then kids, but I don't think I would never own a (large) pet, I would rather save the money and emotion for children.

    Also I think it's a sign of human weakness that we have evolved to be so caring, but that we misdirect that care so much, IE a lot of people prefer animals to their fellow people, I just think we could do better if we directed that emotion to our children and communities.

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    Yes, I think it's completely pathetic when couples introduce me to their canine "children." My childless aunt and uncle always sign cards with the names of their pets. I've heard several variants on all the following statements:

    "I prefer dogs because they do what I say." Translation: I have a control issue and I can't handle unpredictability.

    "I can afford dogs but I cannot afford children." Translation: I am too selfish to re-assign my spending priorities to anyone other than myself.

    "I don't want to contribute to overpopulation." Translation: I have no affinity for my race since all people are the same.

    "Dogs always love you back; not so with children." Translation: I have severe emotional issues.

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    Yes, in my view it's a symptom. It's a symptom of the degeneration of culture. Because nowadays the exaggerated overcapitalistic ideology encourages peoples to compete, compete, compete. To be overindividualistic and step on no matter who in their way to reach richness, famousness and so. A child for a woman is an inconvenience because she has to take leave, go through birth and take care of it all the time. But a dog needn't much care. You can have a dog and be career woman at the same time. You don't have to lose your beauty. You still have chances to become model or actress or something like that. You still have chances to become 'the best'. But if you're a mother, you're considered a loser. I'm not proposing we should be all equal either, because that's exaggerated too. But we should learn to have a little more care for our kind, to be less selfish. The selfishness, envy and jealosy in society is sickening. There is always a intrigue, people gossip and stab each other in the back, especially for money. People have become like this, and I've to admit sometimes I prefer the company of my dogs to the company of peoples. Or the company of the elderly next door which retained the traits of the rural society which was more knit together. But I still want to have my children and my dogs couldn't substitute that. Nothing could ever substitute children in my view.

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    The muslims laugh that the kaffirs would rather have a dog than a child because the kaffirs children are lower than dogs.

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    Perhaps almost a vicious circle sort of thing--could it be that in these modern times, people often prefer the company of animals instead of that of their fellows because of societal degeneration and how downright surly and difficult humans have become? So, they withdraw into their animals as an escape from humanity and yet all the while, are they themselves contributing to this social decay?

    I think sometimes people get fed up with, or, bored of, their human brethren and they seek out the similar but yet not-quite-the-same attentions of our furry friends.

    Just a thought.


    Quote Originally Posted by Renwein View Post
    I know a lot of Skadi members are extremely pro-animal and like to go on about their pets, and many even said they prefer pets to people
    LOL! See above.

    I'd be inclined to rank the animal kingdom, domestic or of the wilds, second in my heirarchy--behind kith & kin but certainly ahead of some other tribes that I can think of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by forkbeard View Post
    The muslims laugh that the kaffirs would rather have a dog than a child because the kaffirs children are lower than dogs.
    Muslims

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    Yes, I think Allenson has hit the nail on the head. I also view it as a sort of circle - and a sort of cause becomes symptom and symptom becomes cause type of thing.

    In a hectic and demoralised world, we all have our need for solitude. Yet we also have our need for companionship. The more stressful and annoying we find our lives, the more likely we are to need more of that.

    On a stressing day, I am exceedingly happy that I am a smoker because it gives me 7 minutes of peace and quiet, where no one - no siblings, no parents, no friends can disturb you. Just time to ponder about matters, to relax, to not having to care for these few minutes about all that goes on around me.

    On a stressing day, I am also more likely to go to the woods as a "requirement" to unwind myself rather than for my pure enjoyment. I love long walks through the landscape, but on a stressing day I may need them.

    Yet on a stressing day, I am also happy when I can sit down with my friends with a beer at the end of it, and laugh and have a good time to know that it's not all that bad, and that you put up with a whole lot of bs for the joys of life.

    Maybe its that the surplus of these needs, based on the surplus of being fed up with it all, is a way for people to unwind themselves. I know that when I'm at home and have an argument with family, I also like to be in the companionship of my dog: It's both the silence and solitude you need AND the companionship you need. I just don't take it to the levels that others do, maybe because I'm too talkative and too positive to shut myself off from humanity?

    It is possible thus IMO that that's what gets you into the circle: The more fed up you are, the less you want to have to do with that which upsets you (i.e. people in general) and the more solitude you need. Dogs shut up and don't talk back - kids do. So when all is already stressful enough, maybe some people do not appreciate the joys that kids bring, as the amount of stress they can cope with is already full by the time they get home that they just wouldn't want to put up with "Daaad, Johnny ate my bread" - "No Daaad, I didn't do it, Jamie ate MINE"? and thus conclude - "Kids are people, people annoy me, so kids annoy me to, so I don't want them."

    Yet as they do it, they become increasingly bitter and thus contribute further to this soulless society we have, which creates the stress in the first place, thus turning from a victim of it into being co-responsible for it?

    Dunno - just trying to develop Allenson's thought there a little further.
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    Procreation is the purpose of all life, from the lowliest single celled organism to the higher mammals. Every being is alive because someone was selfless enough to have a child. It may be selfless, but it is also selfish, for those whose value system is screwed on right. People need family around them. To die alone with no one to carry on, remember and love you is about as sad as it comes. One small extinction in the greater extinction that threatens us all.

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