View Poll Results: Which of these four concepts describes your faith or view of the universe best?

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  • Pantheism

    13 27.08%
  • Atheism

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    The only completely honest conclusion I can make is an agnostic one. To me, the existence of divinity is one of a class of simply unknowable big riddles.

    Examples of what we may not know the truth of - through mere reason at least:
    1. God
    2. What preceded the Big Bang
    3. The supernatural, eg ghosts
    4. The afterlife, if there is one
    5. Reincarnation

    We may reasonably put all of the previous list into the category 'practically unknowable in one's present state.' Much as we may surmise and argue, none of these things can be definitively proven or disproven. Thus any preferences in these areas are dictated by cultural conditioning or, in the case of the freethinker, the discovery of one’s own innate (temperamental) preferences. I use the term 'innate' because in these areas there is no right or wrong. As a pragmatic sceptic I practically disbelieve most of this - ie, it does not form a part of my value system. (However, at certain times, I have temporarily rallied my energies by a belief in God or The Almighty.)

    Understand, though, that in these areas there are no logically right or wrong answers. I never castigate another for their belief in these areas. (I have, however, been known to criticise utterly specious arguments!)


    Thus while I cannot not know one way or the other if God exists, it can be fun to imagine. Religious texts can occasionally be good for a laugh, and interesting for their historical importance.
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    To define [insert label] is to destroy all potential for religious consciousness in relation to [insert label]. So I'm just going to say [insert label] exists

    I could be a theist. I'm not sure. But I do believe in an Eternal Order. A conscious supreme being or not, I don't know, and I don't think that's relevant, personally.
    All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream at night, in the dusky recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity. But the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams, with open eyes, to make it possible.

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    To define is not to destroy, is to be Human! We deal with symbols and concepts all the time! Religion can either be good or bad, I won't take the judgement in me hands... But no one can escape it's life! And that's a prize you pay, either good or bad!

    Quote Originally Posted by Aloysha
    To define [insert label] is to destroy all potential for religious consciousness in relation to [insert label]. So I'm just going to say [insert label] exists

    I could be a theist. I'm not sure. But I do believe in an Eternal Order. A conscious supreme being or not, I don't know, and I don't think that's relevant, personally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edric
    Vote in the poll whether you are a Theist or an Atheist and explain your reasons. Moreover explain your beliefs if you are a Theist and if you want also if you are an Atheist. If you are a Theist please tell us your Religion/Belief System/Faith.
    Sorry to harsh everybody's mellow, especially if this has already been pointed out, but atheism is not the opposite of theism. The correct question would be; do you believe in God/s, or not?

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    I categorically reject the singular, eternal and omnipotent God. Forever is a long time to go crazy or simply decide that things are just too boring. Good night, forever. Is it within God's power to kill himself? If so, he'd have done it long ago. If not, he's not omnipotent and surely mad.

    The only example of enduring 'self' that we possess is the plural, collective mind. The death of any individual 'self' is likely necessary for progress, to stir up new patterns from old, just as death is a necessary component of evolutionary advancement. Why should mind be different? How could mind be different?

    So, like, if I'm really good I can live forever? Assuming insanity and demise is not inevitable, forever is long time to screw up. "Oh man, Gabriel, I'm sick and tired of singing the damn praises to Him?" Poof! To hell. With everyone else. God must be a lonely man.

    "Creation" -> Universe -> life -> intelligence -> entropy . (period)

    Intelligence forsees the end. Big crunch. Entropy. Whatever. Now what do you think future intelligence will do? Close the loop. Create.

    What about the big question? Why existence? Toughie. While you're thinking about it, take your next breath. That may be the only answer.
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    Oh, one more thing. Behave yourself. The Creators may be watching.

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    I think anyone who open mindedly and objectively thinks it through to the end, inevitably comes to the conclusion that is no way of justifying or disproving the existence of god. There are only an infinite amount of paradoxes, which are nothing more than patterns, analogies and all too human falsifications which we haughtly denote unto the world.

    ...Of course such timidity and absolving of responsibility is incongruous with our necessity to live, to exist, or at the very least, hope to exist. And thus i take a stand, I am an atheist, because i value, or perhaps even put a conditional form of faith in the cold harsh science of dialectic probability.

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    I’m an atheist. I have been one since I started seriously thinking about such issues. There is no evidence that there are any gods and there is no need for them.

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    Theist, Deist, Pantheist, or Atheist?

    Theist, deist, pantheist, or atheist?

    From Chapter titled “A Deeply Religious Non-Believer” from Richard Dawkins’ recent best-seller “The God Delusion”.

    Let’s remind ourselves of the terminology. A theist believes in a supernatural intelligence who, in addition to his main work of creating the universe in the first place, is still around to oversee and influence the subsequent fate of his initial creation. In many theistic belief systems, the deity is intimately involved in human affairs. He answers prayers; forgives or punishes sins; intervenes in the world by performing miracles; frets about good and bad deeds, and knows when we do them (or even think of doing them). A deist too, believes in a supernatural intelligence, but one whose activities were confined to setting up the laws that govern the universe in the first place. The deist God never intervenes thereafter, and certainly has no specific interest in human affairs. Pantheists don’t believe in a supernatural God at all but use the word God as a non-supernatural synonym for Nature, or for the Universe, or for the lawfulness that governs its workings. Deists differ from theists in that their God does not answer prayers, is not interested in sins or confessions, does not read our thoughts and does not intervene with capricious miracles. Deists differ from pantheists in that the deist God is some kind of cosmic intelligence, rather than the pantheist’s metaphoric or poetic synonym for the laws of the universe. Pantheism is sexed-up atheism. Deism is watered -down theism.
    Which of these four concepts describes your personal faith or view of the universe best?
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    Framed in these four concepts, I'd say pantheism with some theist elements.

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