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    Post 80% of Swedes are proletarians!

    That's one of the findings presented in a new book: The Story of Sweden’s Lost Wealth.

    http://www.thelocal.se/6804/20070326/

    The average American is roughly twice as wealthy as the average Swede. The average Briton is four times as wealthy. The average Italian is six times as wealthy.

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    Re: 80% of Swedes are proletarians!

    Very interesting article.

    However, it was my impression that every one of those "proletarian" Swedes can cover all of the basic needs and have a life of good quality. Correct me if I'm wrong, I guess that is due to the very good organization of the welfare state.

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    Re: 80% of Swedes are proletarians!

    Yeah. This is more about whether we want the marxist state to plan our lives for us or prefer to do that ourselves.

    There are poor people too although they're rare. The welfare system is most of all about giving to people who aren't needy, whereas people who live on the street often don't know how to cope with a tedious bureaucracy. And in the winter some of them freeze to death.

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    Re: 80% of Swedes are proletarians!

    Yes, I was told that it's only the alcoholic/homeless that can't cope with the Swedish system.

    But I guess that any other Swede that is capable/eager to work, can get along just fine. Is that correct?

    BTW. Have the bus/train fares been inflated already since February that I was there? I was told it would cost about 80kr for a single 1hr ticket

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    Re: 80% of Swedes are proletarians!

    Quote Originally Posted by Blood_Axis View Post
    Yes, I was told that it's only the alcoholic/homeless that can't cope with the Swedish system.

    But I guess that any other Swede that is capable/eager to work, can get along just fine. Is that correct?

    BTW. Have the bus/train fares been inflated already since February that I was there? I was told it would cost about 80kr for a single 1hr ticket
    80kr?? I'm pretty sure it's 40kr.

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    Re: 80% of Swedes are proletarians!

    Could it be that you have a student discount or something?

    Anyways, 40kr is still a big rise.

    I would buy a block of 10 tickets for the price of 180kr (so 18kr each) and I was told their price would triple or quadraple in March.

    Some Swedish friends that don't live in the center of Stockholm were already annoyed and wondered whether it would eventually cost them less to use their cars rather than the public transportation

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    Post Re: 80% of Swedes are proletarians!

    IMO the marxist system breeds stupor, apathy and disease.

    One thing you should know is that the unemployed, especially those who never had a full time job, have almost no rights in Sweden, and that a full time job is hard to find. Especially if you don't feel that you're destined for slavery in big time corporations. Not that it's an easy thing to get your foot in the doorstep there. Corporations have to account for so much social insurance for their workers that they keep making these deals by a few hours at a time with you. It's also hard to start your own business here. The marxist strategy, for more than a hundred years now, has been to make it easy for large corporations. The rest is thought to be unimportant.

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    Re: 80% of Swedes are proletarians!

    Proletarian: n. A member of the proletariat; a worker.

    So, this means 80% of Swedes are workers. That's good news, seeing as only under a Marxist perspective proletarians = poor while the fact is that proletarians = hard working citizens.

    If it wasn't for those 80% the remaining 20% wouldn't be able to live either so well or of welfare/similar.

    I say more power to the Swedish proles.
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    Re: 80% of Swedes are proletarians!

    As far as I can see, Sweden has less wealth and more immigrants than England.

    One in the eye for the anti-capitalists

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    Sv: Re: 80% of Swedes are proletarians!

    Quote Originally Posted by Gil View Post
    Proletarian: n. A member of the proletariat; a worker.
    Wrong. A proletarian is someone who has 0 wealth. Read the article, or run a check in any marxist classic.

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