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  • Adolf Hitler (Germany)

    85 66.41%
  • Benito Mussolini (Italia)

    24 18.75%
  • Francisco Franco (Spain)

    10 7.81%
  • António Salazar (Portugal)

    9 7.03%
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    Post Re: Favorite Fascist Leader...

    Per Engdahl of course


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    Post Re: Favorite Fascist Leader...

    HH!

    I voted for our genius Leader -- Adolf Hitler the creator of the greatest ideology -- the national-socialism!

    Treu zum Führer!

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    Post AW: Favorite Fascist Leader...

    Waht a question? Of course, I take Hitler. He leads the German to honor and victory. As far as I am concernd I think his misstake was, that he did not play the russian Bolschewism against the american Capitalism. A serbian proverb says: "The two bad killed the good."

    The other Fascist Leader did not arrived similiar glorius deed as Hitler!

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    Post Re: AW: Favorite Fascist Leader...

    Anton Adriaan Mussert, the leader of the NSB (the National-Socialistic movement), during the German liberation and pretection at WWII.

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    I´m spaniard but I don´t like Franco. He is not fascist, the franco´s regime was national-catholic. He supported the USA, the ultra-catholicism and the capitalism conservative. He also save jews from the Nazis (5200 in Hungary) and use moors to kill our people! He was an opportunist

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    Adolf Hitler.
    I don't describe myself as a fascist. I regard Fascism as a purely 20th century Italian phenomenon. That ended pretty shamefully really.

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    Oswald Moseley was the greatest fascist leader why wasn't he mentioned in the poll...he defined what a blackshirt was

    he tried to unite the left and the right in fascism and converted people from both sides...his organization fought off Bolsheviks and Zionists alike and tried to stand up for the rights of middle class working man...and even tried to push for united Ireland and a northern Ireland free of loyalism

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edward SC View Post
    I´m spaniard but I don´t like Franco. He is not fascist, the franco´s regime was national-catholic. He supported the USA, the ultra-catholicism and the capitalism conservative. He also save jews from the Nazis (5200 in Hungary) and use moors to kill our people! He was an opportunist
    That's indeed mostly ignored. Franco wasn't really a Fascist in the sense Mussolini or Salazar (Corporatism, Syndicalism, price controls, etc.), he was rather an authoritarian, militant Anti-Communist. The Fascists in Spain were the Falangists, but Franco modified them into his direction later. Another movement were the Carlists, but they are more traditionalist-monarchist.

    Before leftists were calling anybody they disagree with "fascist" and "literally Hitler", they already extended the term Fascist to people, movements, organisations and governments that were clearly not. Augusto Pinochet is such an example. He was an authoritarian anti-Communist, but he was no Fascist in fact the policies implemented in Chile were pretty laissez faire, almost libertarian.

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    Hitler supposedly dismissed Mosley and Mussert as copyists. The only genuine historic fascist I recognize is Vidkun Quisling. Mussolini was the last living Roman, was intent on resurrecting the Roman empire, I think it'd be unjust to label him a fascist. The only modern fascist I recognize is Dominique Venner. The rest should be deemed as superficial (Goebbels himself dismissed fascism), indecisive, wavering. "Third Position" and "Civic Nationalism" are un-nationalistic positions.

    Here's something I wrote up on Quisling a while ago for my private studies, after going through a list of NS collaborators:

    Quisling appears to standout from the other collaborators/fascists (i.e. Leon Degrelle, Oswald Mosley, Anton Mussert) by developing his own unique system rather than clinging to existing ideologies (imitative) and distinguishes himself from Julius Evola in ending up demonized and loathed (allegedly his surname quisling came to be associated with treachery, although it appears the term was already in use in this manner if going by Goebbels' reports, which could've been interpolated by an English translator) rather than being relegated to the fringe.

    Goebbels notes the great contempt for Quisling in enemy circles, who was almost regarded as a symbol, although undeservedly, and wished to capitalize on this by offering him support. Quisling was regarded by both Goebbels and Hitler as politically naive on certain matters. He was described as the least musical of his siblings.

    He was regarded as an impractical theoretician, being compared to Rosenberg. Quisling is said to have been familiar with Slavic mentality, having lived in Russia for many years. His subordinate Terboven was heavily criticized by Goebbels but praised by Hitler. It'd appear Quisling held similar views as Rosenberg about civilizing the Slavs. Hitler explains in the Table Talk why he wanted to avoid this situation.

    If Felix Kersten's memoirs are reliable, Himmler considered Quisling to be a man worthy of respect and Hitler approved of his initiative to integrate Norway into the greater Germanic Reich.

    According to his biographer Hans Fredrik Dahl, and in contrast to the wiki's narrative, Quisling regarded Christianity as "the most highly developed religion so far" and incorporated it into his system. It's implied that he was fascinated by the Book of Revelation. Nonetheless, he necessarily came into conflict with the Church's interests, given his contempt for the Old Testament.

    He offered both a robust philosophical and scientific training. Schopenhauer was particularly admired. He showed a disinterest in contemporary philosophers. He was keenly interested in mathematics and history. He found a sturdy spiritual role model in his father and had a relatively stable upbringing. Again, it's worth pointing out that he was mostly an unmusical person.

    Like Himmler, he apparently subscribed to reincarnation theory: "But when a person has completed his earthly task, his soul must be freed in order to be incarnated anew in a new existence."
    Other philosophers who influenced him: Spinoza, Kant (sophist), Hegel, Swedenborg (mystic), Kierkagaard (agnostic), Nietzsche

    Quote Originally Posted by Theunissen View Post
    That's indeed mostly ignored. Franco wasn't really a Fascist in the sense Mussolini or Salazar (Corporatism, Syndicalism, price controls, etc.), he was rather an authoritarian, militant Anti-Communist. The Fascists in Spain were the Falangists, but Franco modified them into his direction later. Another movement were the Carlists, but they are more traditionalist-monarchist.

    Before leftists were calling anybody they disagree with "fascist" and "literally Hitler", they already extended the term Fascist to people, movements, organisations and governments that were clearly not. Augusto Pinochet is such an example. He was an authoritarian anti-Communist, but he was no Fascist in fact the policies implemented in Chile were pretty laissez faire, almost libertarian.
    Yeah, Franco has absolutely nothing to do with fascism. In Hitler's Table Talk, this distinction was emphasized more strongly in the German: under no circumstances whatsoever!

    The slur fascist was originally used by communists to stigmatize their enemies before the liberals and other leftists adopted it.

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