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  • Eastern Francia (843 - 919)

    7 5.04%
  • Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation (800 - 1806)

    38 27.34%
  • Confederation of the Rhine (1806 – 1813)

    3 2.16%
  • German Confederation (1815 – 1866)

    8 5.76%
  • North-German Confederation (1867 – 1871)

    6 4.32%
  • German Empire (1871-1918)

    49 35.25%
  • Weimar Republic (1919-1933)

    4 2.88%
  • Nazi Germany (1933-1945)

    68 48.92%
  • Post-WW II (West) Germany (1949 till present)

    5 3.60%
  • German Democratic Republic (1955 - 1990)

    0 0%
  • Volga German Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic (1924 – 1941)

    2 1.44%
  • Austrian Realm (1806 till present)

    4 2.88%
  • Switzerland (1291 till present)

    14 10.07%
  • Other (which?)

    11 7.91%
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Thread: Poll: 'The Best Germany There Ever Was?

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    The German Empire.

    'Militia est vita hominis super terram [The life of man upon earth is a warfare] (Job 7:1).'

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    Bismarck's Empire

    The absolute peak of the German history was the Bismarck's Empire 1870–1890. Bismarck did fast and effective wars without large bloodsheed, he want not conquer Europe like as the evil Hitler, he only got the German inhabitated Elsas-Lothringen and North-Schleswig. Bismarck said that "Germany will not be the >>teacher of Europe<<!" what means Germany want not be the haegemon, the main superpower of Europe, just a German state. Well, he did not conquer the German part of the Habsburg Empire, but he knew that if he destroy the Habsburg Empire that would be catastrophic in the Carpathian-Basin and the Russians may expand into that territory. Moreover after the unification of Germany, the Habsburg Empire, now as Austria-Hungary was Germany's main and trustest alliance.

    Under Bismarck the core of the German Industry has built, he made the Statesocialism what means retirement, good pay to the workers, hospitals, etc. Bismarck state was a parlamentary monarchy with several party, later Social-Democrats, Socialists too. Under Bismarck's the power of the emperors was weak and if the evil Wilhelm II did not make fall the old Chancellor, he would make a Constitutional monarchy like as Britain where the Government governs and the monarch just rules without power. Moreover under Bismarck or under a new man with Bismarck's policy the WWI would never happen, because Bismarck's doctrine was the fast and effective wars.

    I think Germany's problems have started when the madman Wilhelm II and his bloodthirty circle (Ludendorf, Hindenburg) toke over the ruling of Germany. This act has made more than 100 years suffering of the German Nation what is continoue nowadays too.

    God bless the greatest German, Otto von Bismarck!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wulfaz View Post
    The absolute peak of the German history was the Bismarck's Empire 1870–1890.
    Certainly not.

    Already in 1878, at the Congress of Berlin, Bismarcks whole foreign policiy -- right in that very field in which he himself considered being so smart and so skilled and so witty -- had completely crashed. And the whole rest of his carreer, all the remaining 12 years, Bismarck was only busy to glue the pieces of the pot.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wulfaz View Post
    Bismarck did fast and effective wars without large bloodsheed,
    It is irrelevant whether a war is long or short, whether it is bloody and costly, or lucky and cheap. What matters is only, what the war is about. Who is waging the war against whom, because of what reason. This is the only thing one should care about, and one should pay utter attention to, though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wulfaz View Post
    he want not conquer Europe like as the evil Hitler,
    If you believe your enemy's propaganda, you have already lost.

    Besides, if you really must believe the hate & lies spread by the enemy, in that case you likewise would have to believe that propaganda the French, and others, spread against Bismarck. Why you don't? Is it because you do not know that anti-Bismarck hate propaganda?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wulfaz View Post
    he only got the German inhabitated Elsas-Lothringen and North-Schleswig.
    Yeah, and after WWI, these two, and many other lands, were taken away from Germany. And the French, for many many years, in fact up to the present day, claim that Bismarck had 'assaulted' them, the peaceful French. And his Prussian soldiers would not be Germanic, but Mongolians, because they brutally and cruelly 'bombarded' that poor precious Paris. The French military parade up to the present day is not held on the day when Hitler was defeated, but on November 11, when Bismarck's Germany was defeated. Why the French don't change this? Bismarck did not gass any joos, on the contrary, he let his private bank accounts be kept by one of them. So why is it necessary to celebrate so much his defeat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wulfaz View Post
    Under Bismarck the core of the German Industry has built,
    The biggest iron forging hammer in the world, who remained the biggest till 1911, the Hammer Fritz in the Krupp Works in Essen, was already built in 1861. Bismarck became prime minister of Prussia in late 1862.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wulfaz View Post
    he made the Statesocialism what means retirement, good pay to the workers,
    All what Bismarck made and did in this respect was, seemingly, not enough, or was mistaken, because it did not prevent the revolution of 1918. If the German workers had been satisfied with what Bismarck gave them, they would not have destroyed his creation. In 1945, Adolf Hitler's Germany was militarily defeated, by a hostile superior strength of 20:1, yet until the very last day, there was no such rebellion of German workers as in 1918, and there was also no mutinity of simple German soldiers, against him.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wulfaz View Post
    hospitals, etc.
    The hospitals were erected by Kaiser Wilhelm II, not by Bismarck.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wulfaz View Post
    because Bismarck's doctrine was the fast and effective wars.
    Bismarck did not have any 'doctrines' on war, he was a military layman, having only served his compulsory tour of duty, as any other able German man. The 3 wars of 1864, 1866, and 1870 were all planned and conducted by the Prussian General Staff, under the leadership of Helmuth von Molke. Moltke did loathe Bismarck to the utmost. He forbade Bismarck to quabble into any military affairs. And Moltke was extremely upset and enraged, when Bismarck succeeded in pursuading King Wilhem I to abort the wars before they were properly and fully finished.

    There was already high time for a 'World War' in 1877, yet Bismarck choked it then. The result was, that Northern Germany anyway had to fight a world war 37 years later, under much worse, in fact already helpless start conditions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wulfaz View Post
    God bless the greatest German, Otto von Bismarck!
    And let me teach you this: Adolf Hitler never spoke one single bad word about Bismarck, he always praised him, always defended him. Although he had to carry the can, to bear the burden, and eventually to pay the bill for, all of the many grave, and irrepairable mistakes of Bismarcks entirely wrong policy.

    And by the way, talking bad about someone is just bad style, and prole manners. You can not belittle Adolf Hitler with your ignorance and your misrepresentations.

    And one last word: You, as an Ungarn-Deutscher, you should know best of us all, how many German people Bismarck did not 'unite' in, but did kick out of his Little-German empire (Kleindeutsches Reich).
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    Honestly, I do not deabte with Wilhelm II and Hitler worshippers.

    Bismarck led Germany, Moltke or Roon were his generals, but they did not lead the country. Maybe the Krupp Werk is older than Bismarck in power, but under Bismarck it has becomen the greatest factory of the country. In the Berliner Congresse he made peace for Europa at 26 years. Emperor Wilhelm I was old and strongly influenced by Bismarck. My ancestors were sended to Hungary by the Habsburgs. BTW the place where I am writing is named by a Habsburg prince. Furthermore we made never continous settled area, just group of 5–6 villages or town. Among these areas lived Hungarians. If Bismarck would conquer Austria, they never get Hungary too with mixed population. However we are extincting nowadays, thus this problem will be resolved. If somebody want hold German he will move to Austria or the BRD, who want stay he will assimilate.

    What is I agree to that the blockad of Paris what is led a communist revolution, the Commun of Paris. Furthermore with that action that Emperor Wilhelm I was acclamated as German Emperor in Versailles that was very offense against the pride of the French nation.

    However what you have written about the "Mongolian" Prussian soldiers, that is not true. If we seek Mongolian mentality in the German history, we will find the SA, the SS, the NSDAP. They were not true Germans with Stalinist Asian mentality. They were the "Brown Communists".

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    I voted for both the Holy Roman Empire and the German Empire (1871-1918). I'm a big fan of Emperor Otto the Great and like the subsidiarity in the HRE, but Germany itself reached an unprecedented height during the Prussian led German Empire.

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    I see that the originator of this thread confuses the concept of Germany with a State. There has been a Germany for thousands of years before there was a national State or States. People can and do exist without the mechanism of a State. My preference would be the Germania of approximately 2000 years ago before it became corrupted with southern and Christian anti-values.

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