View Poll Results: 'The Best Germany There Ever Was'

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  • Eastern Francia (843 - 919)

    6 4.41%
  • Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation (800 - 1806)

    35 25.74%
  • Confederation of the Rhine (1806 – 1813)

    3 2.21%
  • German Confederation (1815 – 1866)

    8 5.88%
  • North-German Confederation (1867 – 1871)

    6 4.41%
  • German Empire (1871-1918)

    48 35.29%
  • Weimar Republic (1919-1933)

    4 2.94%
  • Nazi Germany (1933-1945)

    66 48.53%
  • Post-WW II (West) Germany (1949 till present)

    5 3.68%
  • German Democratic Republic (1955 - 1990)

    0 0%
  • Volga German Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic (1924 – 1941)

    2 1.47%
  • Austrian Realm (1806 till present)

    4 2.94%
  • Switzerland (1291 till present)

    14 10.29%
  • Other (which?)

    11 8.09%
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    Re: AW: Re: AW: Poll: 'The Best Germany There Ever Was?

    Quote Originally Posted by Spjabork View Post
    But not the "Table Talks".

    Therein he strongly advocates decentralism, to the point of sneering at central administration officials. He says that only the means of power - army and police - must be in the hand of the Reich. Anything else must not be centralized.
    Now I love decentralism, but I have to ask how you can effectively maintain decentralism when the means of power — the army and the police — are in the hands of the central government. It seems to me (and I'm admittedly quite ignorant about the structure of the government of the Third Reich) that centralizing the mechanisms of power is tantamount to destroying any meaningful decentralism.

    How am I seeing this incorrectly?

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    AW: Poll: 'The Best Germany There Ever Was?

    "Other..."

    Ehm...Sovereign Kingdom of Bavaria?


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    Re: Poll: 'The Best Germany There Ever Was?

    NS Germany before Hitler lost it and began invading non-Germanic (in the Deutsch sense) countries.

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    Re: Poll: 'The Best Germany There Ever Was?

    Of the choices given, I had to vote the German Confederation (1815-1866). While not united as a complete unified entity, it was still largely a time of peace, prosperity, and cultural enrichment (music, the arts). Napoleon was defeated, nationalist pride was taking root, and the world seemed to beckon Teutonic greatness. *sigh* What a lovely time, indeed. Sometimes I think I was simply born in the wrong epoch.

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    Re: Poll: 'The Best Germany There Ever Was?

    Quote Originally Posted by OneEnglishNorman View Post
    NS Germany before Hitler lost it and began invading non-Germanic (in the Deutsch sense) countries.
    For starters, I don't mean to criticize you by any means ... no doubt I agree exactly with what you are saying, but could you be a little bit more specific please? What on earth does 'non-Germanic in the Deutsch sense' mean? Thanks!

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    Re: Poll: 'The Best Germany There Ever Was?

    I prefer the Weimar Republic because a republic is better than all of the ones I saw up there. Personally I believe that Nazi Germany was the worst Germany. My second best Germany was the German Empire because I really admire Otto von Bismarck.

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    Re: Poll: 'The Best Germany There Ever Was?

    NS Germany.

    The ultimate idea for human progress ever spread to so many people.

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    Re: Poll: 'The Best Germany There Ever Was?

    How is possible to an anarchist to admire Otto von Bismarck, a full reactionary?

    I voted Holy Roman Empire (It last 1000 years!) amd II Reich. With Bismarck, Germany was the true center of the continent and only London could argue against Berlin, peace, armed peace but peace at last, were on safe structures of balanced powers, but Wilhelm II just throw all that to hell with the weltpolitik that creates him more enemies that what Mighty Germany could manage.

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    Re: Poll: 'The Best Germany There Ever Was?

    Initially I expected the German Empire (1871-1918) and Nazi Germany (1933-1945) to lead this poll, but the overall definite lead by the Third Reich is indeed surprising.

    The Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation (800 - 1806) like Switzerland (1291 till present) also does reasonably well. I personally admire the Holy Roman Empire too, because it embraced other Germanic people (Dutch, Flemish) as well. However, I decided not to vote for it, because it could not prevent the Thirty Years' War (1618 - 1648) with its millions of casualties from happening.


    So far the Volga German Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic (1924 – 1941) only got two votes, probably from Slav partisan ranks. The existence of the Volga German Republic at the gates of Central Asia is one of the singularities of German history, but I seriously doubt if religious and cultural persecution, expropriation and forced removal by the Russia/Soviet authorities to the Central Asian Turkic Soviet Republics can count any German political entity as the best Germany there ever was.


    Ladybright added a bit of activity to the poll by voting mainly for those realms that had either one or no vote at all: Eastern Francia (843 – 919), German Confederation (1815 – 1866), North-German Confederation (1867 – 1871), Weimar Republic (1919-1933), Post-WW II (West) Germany (1949 till present) and Austrian Realm (1806 till present). I wonder why?

    @ladybright: Will you please motivate your choices? I always get a bit worried when people speak out for the Weimar Republic ("Germany's Golden Twenties") or even worse, for the so-called federal republic "of Germany".


    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainHook View Post
    I prefer the Weimar Republic because a republic is better than all of the ones I saw up there. Personally I believe that Nazi Germany was the worst Germany. My second best Germany was the German Empire because I really admire Otto von Bismarck.
    It puzzles me how anyone could vote for the so-called Weimar Republic(1919 – 1933) that was characterized by foreign military occupation, civil war, anarchy, unemployment, poverty and misery to the point that the collapse of the German Reich was looming especially in the early 1920s. It was the only the National Socialist Movement that was able to restore law and order again.

    :nsdap: :bwhitler :nsdap:

    I am not a Nazi and I think that I would not have liked to have lived under this totalitarian regime, but one has to be realistic and say "Thank you!" It was not Hitler's fault that parts of the international community sought to fight the German Reich, which had become Europe's strongest power within the first six (peacetime) years of Nazi Germany, by applying a policy of encirclement with Germany's neighbouring rogue countries poland and czechoslovakia ("sorry to mention").


    Quote Originally Posted by Boche View Post
    Basically you can't answer this question unless you have lived in all of those realms. […] I won't vote for anything because once can only say what the best germany every was if he/she lived in it. Because TV and Books is nothing you can trust.
    @Boche: Please refrain from attempting to ruin my threads (or other users' threads) in future. Rather leave it if you have got nothing to vote for. And remember to spell "Germany" with a capital letter from now on. This is Skadi-Net and users here are expected to have endorsed pro-German(ic) views when signing up as members. Other users might get the impression that you do not hold pro-Germanic views when you spell the names of Germanic nations and countries without an initial capital letter.


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    Re: Poll: 'The Best Germany There Ever Was?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainHook View Post
    I prefer the Weimar Republic because a republic is better than all of the ones I saw up there. Personally I believe that Nazi Germany was the worst Germany. My second best Germany was the German Empire because I really admire Otto von Bismarck.
    If you're an anarchist, it's no wonder why you like the Weimar Republic so much.

    Please, by all means, read up on the Weimar republic and then explain to us all why you consider that chaotic mess so ideal.

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