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    Best Martial Art against multiple attackers.

    And Assault Rifle.

    AK-47 or AR-15/M-16 Take your pick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schopenhauer View Post
    Well if the teacher is off so too will be the students.

    This is very much true. And may I add that the vast majority of the teachers out there are very much off. Mostly they just show you the moves and how to do them correctly to get your belt and show you some fight and that´s it. Oh, and they take your money for that. Such approach for Japanese and Chinese martial arts is a very bad one as it doesn´t even scratch the surface of it all.

    I went on to practice karate when I was a kid and there was only one club in my area that had 2 teachers working. The concept they developed was such as I described previously - 2 guys working with way too many people, showing only moves and how to work out a kata and counting money. I quit after I got my green belt (Shotokan).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haliaeetus View Post
    This is very much true. And may I add that the vast majority of the teachers out there are very much off. Mostly they just show you the moves and how to do them correctly to get your belt and show you some fight and that´s it. Oh, and they take your money for that. Such approach for Japanese and Chinese martial arts is a very bad one as it doesn´t even scratch the surface of it all.

    I went on to practice karate when I was a kid and there was only one club in my area that had 2 teachers working. The concept they developed was such as I described previously - 2 guys working with way too many people, showing only moves and how to work out a kata and counting money. I quit after I got my green belt (Shotokan).
    Ideally, you should be learning from your teacher one on one. This is correct form of direct transmission from teacher to student.

    Of course finding a good teacher is hard.

    Assembly line "dojos" should, of course, be shunned like the proverbial plague.
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    Cool

    Best you have a heckler&koch XM29 OICW (objective individual combat weapon)

    There are severall versions of it, the one i prefer is basically an infantry rifle (especially light and short version of the HK-G36) with roughly equal fire power to the standart us infantry rifle, but mounted on top of it is a 20x28mm smart-grenade launcher with severall shots (standart is a 5 shot magazine), and a top-mounted computer-assisted sighting system with integrated laser rangefinder, thermal vision night vision capabilities, and up to 6x optical telescopic sigh. Here the article with a few specs :

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XM29_OICW

    When I first saw that thing i fell in love

    But unarmed I try to implement the secret techniques of runa-wayquick It works best against opponents that are slower then you, since instead of power its strenght lies in speed

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    3 vs 1

    Even a Negro can benefit from basic martial arts training. His skill level was not good but the thick skull seemed to help him. His positioning is not to bad at first wile trying to avoid being encircled.

    Lol its funny how they assume the guys are skin heads just because they were white. I don't doubt the black started it.

    3 guys amazingly fended off by a Negro


    My point in posting this is to highlight how essential it is to have some training if your are likely to be attacked and lets face it this stuff happens to whites more.

    Funny how the police instantly investigate this as a hate crime but in the US when it happens to whites it is seen as not race related. Still they guys look a bit retarded as their no shirts policy shows.

    We on this forum should all train a martial art.

    This is the video of the incident for analysis. Sadly it has all the right on PC commentary attached.

    Negro

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    The videos in the previous post showed how to not allow yourself to become surrounded, and not take punches from all sides. It is sometimes called staying outside of the circle.
    Try to not get grabbed, and dragged to the ground.
    Rolling techniques, and getting up from the ground quickly are also important.
    street techniques

    Basically, it takes some study to survive this type of situation.

    Against multiple attackers I will say some form of Combatives(think special forces type training), where you remove the threats as quickly as possible.
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    Plenty of side videos to watch also, one could watch for quite awhile.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVOdwJrZzZI
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20_3Y...eature=related
    It is still much better to have tools, steel toes, and numbers
    Last edited by Leonhardt; Sunday, October 9th, 2011 at 09:36 PM. Reason: added quinn video

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonhardt View Post
    The videos in the previous post showed how to not allow yourself to become surrounded, and not take punches from all sides. It is sometimes called staying outside of the circle.
    Try to not get grabbed, and dragged to the ground.
    Rolling techniques, and getting up from the ground quickly are also important.
    street techniques

    Basically, it takes some study to survive this type of situation.

    Against multiple attackers I will say some form of Combatives(think special forces type training), where you remove the threats as quickly as possible.
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    Plenty of side videos to watch also, one could watch for quite awhile.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVOdwJrZzZI
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20_3Y...eature=related
    It is still much better to have tools, steel toes, and numbers
    Thanks. It is correct the Negro made a lot of mistakes in that fight. Still he would not have done even that with no training. Awareness and positioning are paramount. Do not get encircled and do not trip on an obstacle.

    Also I like your emphasis on real hard technique to end the opponents combat effectiveness as quickly as possible. You may not get the chance to hit them twice as their buddies will be on you fast. Having the ability to put someone down fast seems the third key element to success.

    So far then we have awareness, positioning and fast elimination.

    Can you add any other key elements to that? I think that stability, the ability to keep on your feet should be another but that seems key to all effective martial art.

    One thing I have been shown that is fun is trying to get your opponents lined up and throwing one opponent into another. Still that was from my Wing Chun days. I think WC is missing a lot of the knock out power needed for this job, at least before a high level of proficiency is reached.

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    This is an example of the power I would like to have if in that situation and that you can develop given the right training. Think what that would do to someone in a fight.

    Hammer Fist


    Now that is how to hit someone

    Or like this

    Taiji

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    Martial arts training is not as effective as you think. Think Military styled training. In the Marines my drill instructor would call out anyone with marrtial arts training and take them out in under two seconds. Its all about the weak spots...eyes, knees, throat, etc. Me and my fellow Marines have put these tactics to the test, they work even against MMA pros, when you are fighting for your life, there is no better techniques

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    So far then we have awareness, positioning and fast elimination.

    Can you add any other key elements to that? I think that stability, the ability to keep on your feet should be another but that seems key to all effective martial art.
    On my previous post I got a little carried away with examples of moves to possibly use.
    Some people may need an adrenaline stress course to be able to even get started in a street fight, or know when to start. If they allow themselves to get crowded, they have already started from a bad situation.
    Many systems start with footwork and defensive parrying. Stability and staying on your feet would be covered in clinch work. Also, I did not cover people that will try to lift and slam a person on the concrete.
    street defense

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iK1fnjplKQ
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeD_S...eature=related
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unaGx...eature=related
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0XSt...eature=related
    I have seen a situation where both of the person's arms were grabbed by multiple people, but I do not have the answer for that one.
    I only study self defense of the side, so I will try to leave the personal opinions for people that study in a system.
    street defense

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlUVylnrLaI
    I am not super confident on the last video, but it is the type of situation I am talking about.
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7haxchM7KfM

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